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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:48 am

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Anyway, it doesn't take genius to realize that if a Muslim went into a church on Sunday and shot fifty Christians, there would be no clamor to force people to read the IS manifesto or the Quran.

I don't quite follow. Forcing people to read the manifesto isn't really the issue, or do you just mean the same as I-Mon, that it wouldn't be popularized and put on the front page?


My point was simply that the murderer did it so that people would read his manifesto. It was/is blackmail. Ted K planted bombs that killed people and said that he would stop if it were published. So, if you think that murder is a legitimate way to gain attention for one's views, ok. To me, it's simple terrorism. So, I would specifically not read it, and I agree with the NZ government who understands that publicizing the manifesto (no matter what it's about) can only encourage someone else to do the same. We wouldn't know what was in the manifesto until we read it, would we?

I'd prefer that someone put a bullet in his head, frankly. I'm not a monster. I just believe he and his should be treated the same way the prez talks about Muslim terrorists, or the way Israel deals with them. They try to destroy root and branch in order to deter and discourage further terrorist acts.

Anyway, as for the Nazi book burnings, the Nazis were allegedly very conservative about sex. However, that included encouraging SS officers to have as many children as they could. There were even breeding farms created, and there were thousands (if not more) children born who had no idea who their parents were. Look up the Lebensborn.

The Nazi book burnings were a campaign conducted by the German Student Union (the "DSt") to ceremonially burn books in Nazi Germany and Austria in the 1930s. The books targeted for burning were those viewed as being subversive or as representing ideologies opposed to Nazism. These included books written by Jewish, pacifist, religious, classical liberal, anarchist, socialist, and communist authors, among others.[1] The first books burned were those of Karl Marx and Karl Kautsky.[2]


Here's a report from the period.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCmiWaHUCw

Here's something about the guy given the speech in German.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbak304MA6g
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Michael on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:40 am

Now I recall about the serious problems in Berlin during the Weimar period. I saw a documentary about rampant prostitution, child prostitution, etc., Legendary Sin Cities. Maybe that's part of why the Nazis were conservative about sex.

Censorship fell with the Kaiser and in the aftermath of war, Berlin shed its conservative past to become the "Babylon of the 20's". On the city stages, Anita Berber flaunted her body, bisexuality and drug addictions. In the city-centre the world's first institute for sexual science boasted the world's biggest library on sexual matters and pornography.

With its frenetic pace and insatiable libido, Berlin had been a hard nut for the Nazis to crack. The city did fall, however, partly due to the influence of Joseph Goebbels, the Reich minister of propaganda. As much as he hated the city, he understood it and used scandal, sensation and sheer brutality to bring the city into step. When Hitler came to power in 1933, the Nazis set up headquarters in the old transvestite haunt, the Eldorado, raided the institute of sexual science and started a campaign of brutality that climaxed in WWII. As the Shangrila on the Spree faded, new sin cities emerged in the East.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Trick on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:50 am

im quite sure everything from such "manifestos" to hitlers writings are on most psychologists table/bookshelf/archive. now i have too little time and im a too lazy reader, but if i would read such things it would be for the same reason an shrink would, kind of. i guess other would also be "interested" to read such from that kind of point of interest, or is it just me having weird thoughts on this ?? 8-)
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby windwalker on Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:05 am

Trick wrote:im quite sure everything from such "manifestos" to hitlers writings are on most psychologists table/bookshelf/archive. now i have too little time and im a too lazy reader, but if i would read such things it would be for the same reason an shrink would, kind of. i guess other would also be "interested" to read such from that kind of point of interest, or is it just me having weird thoughts on this ?? 8-)


In the military those in leadership positions attending leadership training
often its required reading to read about famous leaders no matter what side in order
to understand tactics, methods used, and motivations.

While most of the guys such as the NZ shooter and others have head problems "sociopaths"
reading what they write by those having to prevent or combat them helps
in understanding how to do so....As some have pointed it might be a draw for
what are called copy cat crazies,,,I dont see how in the US it would be prevented
from being posted or published by private entities.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:07 am

Hitler's crew was full of homosexuals and transvestites (or "travestie"). See for ex., Ernst Rohm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm. Some Nazis were true sexual perverts --the perversions being the expected result of people having total control over others, especially those they consider sub-human. That's if one's interested in psychology.

Watch the Goebbels vid, but the point is that he used anti --gay, immigrant, Jewish, Roma-- propaganda to convince people that mass murder was reasonable. It's not different from him being named "Joseph" and hating Jews, or from his being sickly but claiming that his was the "Master race." Only the inferior and insecure people need to make such claims, and they're often hypocrites.

Afa Germany during the 20s, it was a "shit hole." That was because of the terribly unfair treatment it received after WW1. There was a lot of poverty. Fwiw, I have a couple of old million Deutschmark notes. People had to carry around money in buckets. Image

Hitler came back from the war, tried to start a revolution in Germany, failed, was jailed, and while imprisoned wrote his masterpiece explaining why Germany was in such a bad situation, what it needed to do, and why. When released, he ran for political office claiming he would "Make Germany Strong Again." Of course, he did say that the Jews (i.e., German-Jews who had fought on Germany's side during the war) had to be eliminated. Fwiw, a Jew (F, Haber) developed the poison gasses and got medals for it. That might have been fortunate. Hitler hated gas warfare; so, he never used it in WW2 on the battlefield. Though, we all know who it was used on.

Anyway, he was elected Chancellor as leader of the "nationalist socialist" party, and that was that. It was why Einstein --who as a Jew had been removed from his position and could see the handwriting on the wall-- tried to get a visa to the US. Of course, the US wasn't taking in Jews just like that. One immigration official was smart enough to recognize Einstein's usefulness and the real threat tricked the gov't into accepting him. Einstein was then able to write a letter to Roosevelt alerting him to the fact that Germany might be working on an atomic bomb. So, Roosevelt then designated millions to Project Manhattan. Subtle irony, no? Without the anti-Antisemitism, Germany would have probably developed the bomb first and won the war. It's an upside to diversity.

Like I said, if someone wants to read Mein Kampf, that's fine. It's first hand info of the type I recommend that students/scholars find. Either agree with him or not. There are still people who teach their children that he was right about everything, including the "final solution." I just point out that 60 million Germans ended up being "dead right" because of his views.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:27 am

How about this one Mike? "Catholic priests burn Harry Potter books in Poland" 2019

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/catholic-pr ... Km4ENKXI6s

Catholic priests in Poland burned books they say are sacrilegious this weekend, including tomes from British author J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series of fantasy novels.

"We obey the Word," priests said in a Facebook post showing photographs of the public book burning and quoting Biblical passages from the book of Deuteronomy in the Old Testament.

One passage exhorting believers to destroy the enemies of God includes the command to "burn their idols in the fire".

The post, on a page run by the Catholic "SMS from Heaven" evangelical group, stirred controversy and has gone viral.


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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Michael on Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:06 pm

Steve James wrote:How about this one Mike? "Catholic priests burn Harry Potter books in Poland" 2019


Yes, I saw that this morning. I was surprised weisek didn't mention it first, considering how much <3 he has for the Catholic priests.

Getting worried about Harry Potter is either too little too late, or a tempest in a teacup. As I understand things, it was Catholics who used the power of boycott to force Hollywood moguls in the 20's to accept a decency code for feature film distribution, and it was working until 1965, when the film "The Pawnbroker" essentially broke the film decency code because it used Holocaust flashback scenes to show nipples and got a local exemption to an NYC release that snowballed from there.

What followed from the breaking of the code was not just nudity and sex, but the beginning of the promotion and distribution of major motion pictures, with the biggest stars, that were overall demoralizing and degenerate, whether they had obvious obscenity or not, such as Born Losers [1968], Lawman [1971], and so on from the mind fuck plots with pointless and morally frustrating endings, and onto the slasher flicks, until you get to repugnancies like Saw. -barf-

I'm mixing US and Poland, and I don't really know the culture over there, but my point is that I don't get why Catholic priests would worry about banning Harry Potter once the genie has been out of the bottle for so long after the decency code established by the Catholics in the USA was broken over 50 years ago.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:51 pm

I don't get why Catholic priests would worry about banning Harry Potter


You've hit on the point, and missed mine at the same time. I.e., it has nothing at all to do with pornography or Harry Potter. It's presented as a way to clean up the morality of the country. I thought you were going to see the irony in Catholic priests against porn (or pedophilia). Nothing at all suggests that they don't watch it, or are gay, or have illicit affairs.

Otoh, Jesus didn't say a word about homosexuality, but talked quite a bit about wealth. Christians get the religious anti-homosexuality thing from the Old Testament (Leviticus, iinm). The thing is, it also says that having a tattoo is a sin, specifically, and so is masturbation. (So, we're all sinners under those rules). I'm not sure there's any mention of porn, either.

Anyway, these types of book burnings are the result of an organized institutional intent. Think about it, when in history have men really been against porn? Well, there've been particularly pious individuals who have (or are claimed to have) resisted temptation and sin. They're called saints ... or heretics. Look up Savanarola and the Bonfire of the Vanities. He really upset the pope at the time (and his mistress was really pissed). Oh well, here's another thing. People who "burn" books symbolically will certainly burn people symbolically. They sure made a spectacle out of poor Savanarola.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:18 pm

To be fair even in Poland that priest is considered a nut. A few decades ago people were burning a things Beatles because John Lenin said the Beatles were more important to young people than Jesus Christ.

Nevermind the conservatives who burned and destroyed their Nikes and coffee makers over internet outrage.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:45 pm

You're right. Book burners are usually nuts --or fanatics-- with a cause, and can even be terrorists.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Taste of Death on Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:38 pm

Some books are worth burning but one doesn't always need to strike a match to do it. Marilyn Quayle (former VP Dan Quayle's wife) wrote a book with her sister-in-law that was so bad the reviewer for the San Francisco Examiner wrote, "This book is so bad it should be subjected to leash laws. The reader should scold it. Bad book. Bad book." One could say the same about Dan Quayle's time in Washington. Besides his potato(e) gaffe when he visited American Samoa he told them in a speech, "You have always been happy campers. You are happy campers. And you will always be happy campers." Woof!
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Michael on Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:33 pm

You're right. Book burners are usually nuts --or fanatics-- with a cause, and can even be terrorists.

So the NZ government are fanatics to ban the book and people are also wrong and insulting to read it? ;D

I don't expect to find a perfect rule that works the same for every case, there are always exceptions, but I think the best conclusion is sometimes books should be burned or banned and it doesn't mean those who do it are always fanatics or terrorists. Sometimes they are doing good even if they are ______________ .
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Steve James on Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:03 pm

So the NZ government are fanatics to ban the book and people are also wrong and insulting to read it? ;D


Banning a book is censorship. Are there works that should be censored or people shouldn't be allowed to read? I would say no. It does not solve any problem. Burning books has been done by people who also burn people, sometimes in churches. It's not the same as banning Catcher in the Rye or Hustler magazine.

As I've said, there's a logical reason not to publicize someone's views Because he's committed mass murder. Heck, he was posting video of his murder online. I'd say that should be banned, too. Why? Because a person knowing that he won't get attention by doing a certain thing is less likely to do it.

Anyway, if you've read his manifesto, what do you agree with? He figures New Zealand is a white country, and that Muslims are invaders. Okay, he's from Australia. But, if he believes that NZ and AUS are white, then he believes the same for Canada and the US. Nazis felt the same about Germany, but struck in Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, and Russia. Oh well, that''s fine for them.

As I've also pointed out, another reason is self-protection. Guys like him will walk into a place and kill innocent White people (in this case Kiwis) just as easily as he would Muslims. Duh. Just the read the histories of people like him. We don't say that it's illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater because we don't like the word fire. We do it because it can get people killed. Some would argue that if it has already gotten people killed, censoring or banning it is a no-brainer.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby Michael on Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:19 pm

We do it because it can get people killed. Some would argue that if it has already gotten people killed, censoring or banning it is a no-brainer.

For sure.

Burning books has been done by people who also burn people, sometimes in churches. It's not the same as banning Catcher in the Rye or Hustler magazine.

Burning books is dramatic and often done fervently, however banning is kind of stealthy. Amazon recently banned books from a guy named Roosh V, known as a pick-up artist guru, and because of his popularity I heard about it, but Amazon does not produce a list of the books it's banned or do press releases, but other bannings have gotten attention and they're associated with peaceful, dissident views of people who were first de-platformed from social media.

Between stealth banning and book burning, I can see some virtue in the latter.
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Re: Shooting of the Week

Postby grzegorz on Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:06 pm

The irony Mike is that you spoke endlessly about."Ukrainian nazis" but didn't bat an eye when it came to reading the works of a real nazi.

You were upset at people threatening the Covington Catholic boys but no issue reading the works of people who commit actual voilence.

But whatever I always both those arguments were nothing more than talking points. The fact is if internet threats were an issue for you then you would not have been a Sandy Hook truther.

And nazis were never an issue for you.
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