GrahamB wrote:Parliament is a separate issue that I'll come back to, but your post is exactly what I just don't get about this whole Brexit thing - or maybe I mean I just don't understand
so many British people and their attitude to others. I keep seeing this same vibe from you (and Middleway) - this lack of concern for other people.
"But sure, I really don't know either why I should care if a bunch of Irish want to massacre eachother."
I mean, do you
really not care if Brexit means the end of the Good Friday agreement and the Irish go back to bombing and murdering each other? Thats what you just said. Do you really just think, ah well, fuck 'em, it's their problem? I presume you're old enough to remember 'the troubles' like I am, but you might remember that the bombs were not restricted to Ireland - plenty of bombing in England. It took years to achieve the Good Friday Agreement to end it. Do you really not mind going back to all that and doing it all again? Just "why I should care"?
Sure it's your right to not care, but I don't know if you are just saying that, or you really don't give a shit about other people apart from your own 'tribe'?
"Well who says a smaller population can't lead to better things?"
This is also something I've heard a lot said by people. Normally it's to do with Climate Change - a 'thinning of the herd'- won't be a bad thing.
But I wonder people really understand what that means in reality. Have you really thought that through, about how we achieve a 'smaller population'. How do you think it happens?
Am I just some sort of softie that I don't want to see people get their lives ruined because a lot of old British people don't like Polish people working in Tesco?
If that's what hardening the fuck up means, I don't think I want to harden the fuck up.
Well i was being cynical and over the top, of course - sometimes a black humour creeps into my narrative.
Are you not able to tell these things - that we need to excuse ourselves for being practical, if not totally human..
excuse me sir, while a I live and breath.
But a serious and real point underlines such a stance, I beleive.
I simply don't beleive in letting Terrorists win or intimidate me or my decisions.
If I make a peaceful decision, but a terrorist or bully tells me it may cause him to do violence.
the law (and my own principles) I live by is clear.
the rest is bullshit
why should the threat of terrorism and terrorists derail what was voted for by a majority in our country?
That's right, it absolutely should not.
whether it's local or international, the law is there to protect us from terrorist assholes who would otherwise blackmail us into following certain demands..
This time it's the fear of a return to what terrorists and or warmongers from either side of the Irish problem
might do. A hard border you know - the sheer offence of it wouldn't you know... If either side of the irish problem want to use a hard border as an excuse for trouble.
Or if people want to use it as an excuse to inflate project fear.I don't buy it, i won't fall for it. I don't accept it.Does that mean I actually want to see bloodshed, that i have no compassion for innocents ?
Please, I won't even dignify that.
And isn't this just another illustration of our communication problems over brexit in the UK.
This is simply my response to fearmongering over potential terrorist acts to be carried out by self appointed soldiers (criminal and terrorist threat).. not real actual tragic circumstances that affect innocents.
There is a difference.On the other hand; the guilty are welcome to rot in any hell of their choosing. Let them kill
eachother like the men they think they are.. Just like real soldiers
choose to.
Absolutely I don't want it to happen, i care about the people they threaten and that's why they can't and shouldn't 'win' - in ANY event. Hard border included.
I'm not unsympathetic to the guilty either, they can have redemption too.
But first, they have to admit they did something wrong!
It's pretty simple - should the rest suffer, because some extremists can't put past troubles behind them ? I choose no, it's that simple.
This is a new thing, a new kind of border, for new reasons, it is unconnected to the past and the now 'old troubles', of the past.
Only the very worst could use this as an excuse to bring those troubles and violence back.
I lived through all that and you did too - no one in their right mind wants to see it come back.
For me there's just not enough here to justify the suspension of certain principles.
I firmly believe in not letting the bad guys win.. and that wins out for me, in this whole scenario.
Not to mention I want a deal done asap for the benefit of all involved - which it would be.
This is largely what is scuppering a deal, we're all being held to ransom by some irrational fear of what some shithead terrorists might do.
It is the Irish border that has been the major stumbling block, entirely due to old troubles, carried out by terrorists and scumbags prepeared to massacre innocents....
On what planet is that supposed to be ok, or something we should live with and accept happily, in this case concede to the very threat of it..
Not in my world, it's just that simple.
people have died throughout history protecting what is right and good.
So we can benefit.
Let's not betray that now.
please?
regards