the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

We will be poorer, weaker and diminished in every way.

If you mean the EU will be poorer when the UK becomes a tax haven again for continental countries, then yes.

As for weaker, well seeing as how the Luftwaffe has less than a 25% ute rate right now, then yeah I'd say the EU is militarily screwed. Of course, there'll be plenty of wine and cheese to go around...in the EU. Maginot w(h)ine?

I read a good Reddit post today laying out the increases in complexity involved in even the most basic cross-channel supply chains. Mental.

That I could see being an issue, especially in light of the EU’s bizarre desire to make this whole thing punitive.

Not sure where you're seeing 'punitive'. As far as I can see the EU looks like any long-term bunch of allies (broadest sense) trying to work out why one of their best mates has decided to go full retard - and how to limit the damage. As far as the border controls go, nothing special for us - the complexities are normal if you are working across the EU border. We have large sectors of industry that have never had to deal with this.

The issue from the beginning with the EU and the UK has largely been on of punitive actions.

The EU as a free trade zone made sense. Reduce barriers to trade and the economic situation in all of the countries improves. Fair enough. That document could have been written on a single page.

The trouble started when the EU began getting themselves involved in the internal affairs of their constituent countries. The smaller countries went along with it as they really didn't have much of a choice.

Essentially what started as a free trade zone simply devolved into the continuing efforts of Germany, and France, to dominate their neighbors as has been the situation for about the last 1000 years on the continent.

The reason why a no-deal Brexit is most likely at this point is that the EU isn't negotiating with the UK. They are trying to dictate terms, still insisting on financial penalties, etc.

Of course! It's the Austrian-Francification of the European subcontinent!

The final humiliation - they couldn't even get fish right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914

Fishing crews have been "disastrously let down" by the government's failure to reach a deal with Norway, UK Fisheries chief executive has said.

UK fleets will not have access to Norway's sub-Arctic seas, following the breakdown of UK-Norway negotiations.

But Graham Trump said the US would step up its relationship with the UK and make England great again.

Yes, we've taken back control! So much so that we're now so unimportant that Norway doesn't even need to give a shit about us. Outstanding work Brexiters!

You know what's really funny?

When people make predictions that never happen.

Peacedog wrote:To all the UK peeps, enjoy the Wisconsin cheese that will now be EU tariff free. It goes great with all kinds of w[h]ine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VcjzHMhBtf0

Some Brexiters are apparently dissatisfied with the deal. So, imo, it'd be better for some Brits to come on and say how much they are benefitting or have benefitted from Brexit. People might be crying because they're suffering, not because they're pro-European.