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Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Michael on Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:01 pm

In one of the Trump threads I asked if ambulances in some cities in Sweden needed police escorts for the no-go zones. Here is a 6 minute video with English subtitles of an interview with the head of a paramedic's union saying yes, and it's because of dangers from immigrants blocking their entry, blocking their exit, surrounding them in large numbers of 20-30 people, threatening them and throwing things at them. He also mentions police have been the victims of hand grenade attacks by immigrants and that danger is a potential risk for ambulance workers also.

No go zones in Sweden have been reported a lot, not sure how it can be dismissed, and it is just one of several problems with the immigration policy in Sweden. Other reports suggest how widespread these problems are and how serious they may be, but there's a lot of information on the negative side to consider.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta5a02MzWjE

Breitbart wrote:Union boss Gordon Grattidge spoke to well respected Swedish journalist Paulina Neuding in an interview for think tank Det Goda Samhället (The Good Society) and discussed ambulances being forced to retreat from no gone zones on a regular basis after coming under attack from “large groups of violent people”.


Video carried as a story by Breitbart, Weekly Standard and RT.
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Michael on Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:23 am

A calm interview with Swedish ex-cop of Afghan ancestry, who is now helping to integrate young Afghan men into Sweden.

Swedish Cop Talks About Refugees in Sweden (21 minutes)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82eGHYsP0FE

His primary message is that the vast majority of these young men, who came without families, are great people who want to integrate fully, but a very small minority are causing problems that need to be discussed and the crime stopped, which also negatively affects the reputations of other refugees who are not committing any crimes.
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Steve James on Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:27 am

but a very small minority are causing problems that need to be discussed and the crime stopped, which also negatively affects the reputations of other refugees who are not committing any crimes.


Isn't that just common sense that could apply to any group?
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Michael on Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:29 am

Definitely. And the youth integrator really tries to bring that point home, as well as saying that the lack of the discussion on this topic in Sweden is allowing for something to happen, and he implies the increased popularity of the far right is connected to not acknowledging it's just a tiny minority of criminals, as you have in any population group.
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Steve James on Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:14 am

Well, the far right has been saying the same things for decades, even before WW 2. The immigrant groups have changed, but their opponent's arguments have not. Today, the issue isn't "immigration", per se, it's about who the immigrants are. The arguments about them wanting to take over, not wanting to integrate or participate in society, or learn the language, could be used against immigrant groups anywhere. There's also no secret why there is more crime, drugs and social problems in areas where new immigrants settle. It was true for the Irish and Italians and Russians who've come to the US. I.e., their neighborhoods had higher crime, but 90% of the people had nothing to do with it.

Then, there's the issue of terrorism, not crime, per se. Granted all the crimes committed by immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries. Is there a terrorism problem there?

Anyway, nothing illustrated by Sweden't problems can be used as a rationale for excluding Muslims from the U.S., particularly on the basis of their threat as terrorists. Afa addressing crime (such as drug use, etc.), I'd bet that the problems in Sweden are just as widespread among Swedes as they are among people from W. Virginia. Have you read about the epidemic there? http://wvpublic.org/topic/needle-and-da ... c#stream/0

People want to address, discuss, or solve a problem should pick problems that are closer to home. Sorry for the tangent, but I think that talk of Swedish problems is a complete distraction for the wrong reason. I.e., I'm tired of the argument "Look at Sweden." We'd be f-in lucky, imo, if we turned into Sweden :).
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby grzegorz on Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:38 am

I wouldn't say it is being ignored as much as it is a typical fear of "other."

Bao is the only Swede here and I see no reason why he would say this isn't happening if it isn't happening. For me it isn't enough that someone expresses these opinions. If you talk to most Filipinos, for example, they think Duterte is the best thing to happen to the Philippines since Pacquiao and for me that isn't enough.

I just think that, like Breitbart, Trump is using race to divide and conquer. Why we should we care about Sweden when we have so many problems here anyway? Sweden is fine. Trump only brought it up to try to push through his travel ban and until countries start banning us most Americans will never understand.

Funny how we discuss Middle Eastern people in the West as if it is an invasion while the West and the Russians are in the Middle East leading actual invasions.
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby grzegorz on Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:02 am

I should also point out that my cousin lives there and is embarrassed as a Yank always being asked what Trump is talking about.

But more importantly why does the far right continue to get their info from sources which are continually proven wrong?
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Bao on Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:47 pm

I am not going to participate in this discussion again. But I can say as much as that I am much, much more worried by the right extremists, especially the Swedish Democrats. Now the second biggest party. The top people there are all former Neo Nazists. Here there are plenty of Holocaust deniers and anti-Semitics. They are all rude, uneducated, aggressive bullies. No class, no dignity. I hate what Sweden has become, but the problem is within the Swedish population, and maybe partly the problems has to do with consequences of EU regulations. Anyway, I now live in land with a population of 25% complete morons.

All official statements on the situation of Sweden can be found here:
http://www.government.se/statements/

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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby windwalker on Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:37 pm

I now live in land with a population of 25% complete morons.


Wonder if the "morons" know that they are "morons" and what they would think of being labeled as such by a "?" insert label of choice
The problem with official statements as has been shown is that the Swedish gov.
controls and moderates the information.

I hate what Sweden has become


Those "morons" also might say the same thing.

Sweden, France, Germany, ect are examples of what happens when what seems to be
an incompatible culture is imported en mass.
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby windwalker on Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:46 pm

Michael wrote:Definitely. And the youth integrator really tries to bring that point home, as well as saying that the lack of the discussion on this topic in Sweden is allowing for something to happen, and he implies the increased popularity of the far right is connected to not acknowledging it's just a tiny minority of criminals, as you have in any population group.


His primary message is that the vast majority of these young men, who came without families, are great people who want to integrate fully,


Young men of war fighting age, leaving areas where there are wars going on....to ?
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Bao on Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:41 pm

windwalker wrote:Sweden, France, Germany, ect are examples of what happens when what seems to be
an incompatible culture is imported en mass.


"Import"? Well... at least all of those people fleeing from terror, wars and famine would probably not use the words of export/import to describe to reasons to abandon their own homes, land and culture... :-\
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby grzegorz on Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:07 am

I appreciate your contribution Bao.

Makes sense to me. Something which is easily refuted and disproven but has been sucked up and regurgitated to the US far right was created by the Swedish far right.

Yet the believers still buy into it.

I too am not going to bother debating something so easily disproven because for me is just so proves that people believe what they are going to believe and even when you prove them wrong their mind will be unchanged.

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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby wiesiek on Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:41 am

Bao wrote: Anyway, I now live in land with a population of 25% complete morons.

/David

25% is the volume of the morons in whole our earth population,
me thinkin`.
For example here in Poland 25% is the steady number of the squareheaded Kaczyński`s party voters...
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby Patrick on Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:56 am

maybe partly the problems has to do with consequences of EU regulations.


This may even be the biggest contributing factor (in Europe) why the populists are so (duh!) popular. People are fed up with the EU and for good reason.
I am not sure, if everyone is simply a moron who votes a right wing party member. Lets be honest, sometimes you have either
the choice between someone who says "Everything is good like the way it is. Lets continue the way it is
(If am clocking my ears, and closing my eyes, then there are no problems)" and then people who are fed up and simply want someone who promises them change.
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Re: Sweden's Immigration Policy

Postby windwalker on Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:44 am

25% is the volume of the morons in whole our earth population,
me thinkin`.
For example here in Poland 25% is the steady number of the squareheaded Kaczyński`s party voters...


The thing is that one may be the "moron" to others that they label as such.
Right wing, what ever one wants to call it, are reactions to what a populace perceives
as a threat. This to me was expected.
What ever is meant by by Sweden, Germany, ect has now and is forever changed.

Swedish journalists do everything in their power to maintain this image of "refugee children." One of the more grotesque examples is from 2011, when a reporter from Malmö's free daily paper, City, visited a housing project for young men, and placed a stuffed polar bear doll in the arms of Ahmad Farid from Afghanistan. Ahmad is said to be 16 years old, but looks considerably older.

So to make the Swedes perceive him as a defenseless child, the journalists use the stuffed animal as a prop. But not even the Swedes are that naïve.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6190 ... e-children

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"Saad Alsaud (left frame, center), an unaccompanied "child refugee," is pictured in 2012, when he was reported to be Sweden's fastest "14-year-old". In 2011, a newspaper reporter from Malmö shared a teddy bear and some laughs with "16-year-old" Ahmad Farid (right frame), an unaccompanied "child refugee" from Afghanistan."

happy :-\

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/wa ... -life.html

not happy :-\


"Import"? Well... at least all of those people fleeing from terror, wars and famine would probably not use the words of export/import to describe to reasons to abandon their own homes, land and culture..


Kind of the problem IMO they don't really abandon their culture.....they export it where ever they go....
Allowing war fighting aged males in large numbers into ones country not a good idea.
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