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Sufis and others

Postby KEND on Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:35 pm

The centuries long Sunni-Shiite struggle is the main component of the wars and associated terrorist activities in the Middle East, but the various sub groups and hatred of the west and Israel adds to the complexity of the ongoing strife. This was underlined by the recent atrocity involving a Sufi mosque. The following articles give some insight into the situation

Who are the Sufis associated with the mosque attacked in Egypt?
8 / 24 /17
The mosque where Friday's massacre unfolded in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula had been widely associated with Sufi Muslims who have been attacked by the Islamic State group wherever the extremists operate.
A Bedouin tribal leader told AFP the Rawda mosque, some 40 kilometres (25 miles) west of the North Sinai capital of El-Arish, was known as a Sufi mosque and contained a "zawiya" -- a lodge used by the mystics for prayers and gatherings.
IS is the main suspect in the attack but has not yet claimed responsibility, so it cannot be said with certainty that the mosque was targeted because of its Sufi connections.
But IS has targeted Sufis in Egypt in the past. Last year, the jihadists kidnapped and beheaded an elderly Sufi leader, accusing him of practising witchcraft.
The group's weekly Nabaa newsletter then published an interview with the commander of its "morality police" in Sinai who said their "first priority was to combat the manifestations of polytheism including Sufism".
Elsewhere IS has claimed attacks that have killed dozens of Sufis, most notably in Pakistan.
If the mosque was attacked because of its Sufi connections, the massacre would be in line with IS in Egypt increasingly focusing on civilian targets as it makes little headway in its Sinai insurgency.
Since December last year, it has killed more than 100 Christians in church bombings and shootings.
Jihadists such as IS bear an institutional hatred for Sufis in particular.
They adhere to a more extreme version of the puritan Salafism practised in Saudi Arabia which views Sufis as heretics.
They accuse them of polytheism -- the greatest sin in Islam -- for seeking the intercession of dead saints.
The Salafis also condemn what they call "innovations" -- rites and prayers adopted by Sufis which the Prophet Mohammed himself never prescribed.
But in much of the Muslim world, Sufism has for centuries been accepted and practised by mainstream Muslims and Sunni Islam's most important theologians.
The head of Al-Azhar, Egypt's top Islamic authority, is a Sufi, as are many top clerics in the Muslim world.
They date their practices back to some of the prophet's companions and the early generations of ascetics who shunned the increasingly worldly Islamic empire for prayer.
While some Sufis use music in their prayers, the more established and larger orders shun the practice.
They say they want to focus on achieving a state of purity -- from which the term Sufism is believed to have been derived -- to witness God's presence in their lives.
Some mystical concepts espoused by their religious leaders have led to detractors over the centuries accusing them of pantheism and other heresies.
In recent times, as the mystics grew more influential and Arab governments embraced them for being non-political, some of their leaders have been criticised for becoming too worldly themselves.

The Secular Baathist Leadership of ISIS: Why ISIS has nothing to do with Islam (or even an interpretation of it) – An Exposé by Channel 4 (UK)
By MDI TEAM on March 26, 2016 • ( 1 Comment )
MDI Comment: A Channel 4 (UK) expose on the Baathist leadership behind ISIS (ISIL), and how Saddam Hussein’s new ‘Islamic facade’ strategy to combat the coming American invasion, has been continued after his capture and execution, by his cynical and Secular ex-Baathist military officers under a new name – ISIS.
The Secular Baathist leadership of ISIS was revealed globally by Der Speigel Magazine, who published documents from a captured dead leader of ISIS.
ISIS’s baathist leadership showed their hand again, by capturing and executing the judge who sentenced Saddam Hussein to death – saying it was done in revenge for his sentence against who they described as ‘martyr Saddam’.
More recently, a defector from ISIS leaked thousands of top secret documents of ISIS recruits (which have been verified to be partially accurate to known members). The defector had joined ISIS from the Free Syrian Army, originally believing them to be Islamic, but then found out how ISIS’s leadership is ruled by Baathists and not concerned with Islamic rules (except the outward facade it presents through its media). The UK’s SKY News reported:
‘The man who stole it was a former Free Syrian Army convert to Islamic State who calls himself Abu Hamed.
Disillusioned with the Islamic State leadership, he says it has now been taken over by former soldiers from the Iraqi Baath party of Saddam Hussein.
He claims the Islamic rules he believed have totally collapsed inside the organisation, prompting him to quit’
Other defectors from ISIS have said the same, with former Baathist generals explaining the lure of ISIS after America disbanded the iraqi army. It is important for Muslims to be aware that ISIS isn’t actually Islamic, but is yet again another case of Secular powers using Islamic labels to manipulate naive Muslims into doing their bidding.
In Libya, it has been reported that former fighters for the secular Libyan regime of Muammar Gaddafi, have reassembled under the name ‘ISIS’ in Gaddafi’s central former stronghold of Sirte.
Of course, Islamophobes, Western politicians who support constant intervention in the Muslim world, and so-called ‘counter-extremists’ pundits want very desperately to identify ISIS’s cynical and ghastly actions as part of Islam. This enables them to (illogically) accuse the Muslim community of being complicit with the rise if ISIS for not integrating into the Western world order, and they demand that Muslims must ‘reform’ (secularise) Islam, because somehow unreformed Islam is ‘linked’ to ISIS.
It is important to point out that ISIS does not emanate from any interpretation of Islam, they use Islam like SISI, the Secular President of Egypt when he obtained a fatwa to kill protestors against him, and how Bashar al Assad uses the label of Islam to motivate Hezbollah and Shia militias to fight for him. Secular rulers in (and outside the Middle East) have had a history of cynically using Islamic labels to justify their cynical, horrific and less-than-Islamic actions to the religious populations they dominate over in the Middle East (who unfortunately are mostly politically illiterate in Islamic laws after colonialism).
The only solution is for the Muslim world to educate itself in holistic Islam (including its laws, political and economic solutions, and only then will they cease being manipulated by Secular self-serving criminal governments and warlords).
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Re: Sufis and others

Postby yeniseri on Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:26 pm

Islamization as "Arab" colonialism, is rampant and there is nothing one can do to conquer its evil intent. The only consistency is Arab, Turkish and Persian meaning they each bring concepts alien to the other while maintaining their unique interpretation of Islam (and their uniqueness) regardless of the concept of al-Arabiyah (Arab unity despite being an oxymoron within the Islamic sphere).
What exists is the persistent use of that concept (the enemy of my enemy is my brother ;D ) to get revenge for any slight as mandated (by Islam) by action and not philosophical or intellectual reality of being (Islamic ??? ) within a modern society. Islam is incapable of addressing modernity so it defaults to barbarism and destruction because that is how it has handled conflicts from the beginning. Sufism has its own following in Turkey (non Arab) and they are esteemed and considered a part of the social milieu but recent sentiment of this pan Islamic guise is changing the landscape for the worsening and dictatorial advance of strongmen who use the army as their personal troops to maintain power.

It's gonna be a ride! No difference between US and Egypt with the innocent killing of citizens because one is pissed off with public policy, religious ignorance, or just plain stupidity especially when the armed goes off on their illusory horse of bullshit and pretendtng they have a right to take innocent lives, just because...........I see no difference where innocent people get killed especially when children/kids are involved. That ain't right
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Re: Sufis and others

Postby Trick on Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:17 am

When I was 6 I was put in to Sunday school, on the firs day we got this little book with drawings of dessert landscapes, palm trees, camels and men and women dressed in long tunics, the book was supposed to tell "important" ancient religious(biblical) stories from the Middle East. I remember thinking there as an 6years old boy, what does this have to do with me, with Sweden, with an modern world....after three Sunday's I quit.
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