Michael wrote:On the pragmatic side, there's not a thing any of them could do about their govt as long as it has international financial support from the word's multi-national corporations, so maybe ignorance is bliss.
Michael wrote:As far as I can tell from a few high profile cases the past two years, the Swedes have no pull for their citizens in China, and they really seem like they just roll over for anything Beijing wanna do to their citizens.
Trick wrote:Before we shed tears for the bookman, From Wikipedia......."Gui returned to China in 1999 and started a daughter company in Ningbo for a Swedish company known in Chinese as Tangyou (唐友), offering air purification products.[25][26] Gui was involved in a drink-driving incident in Ningbo in December 2003 in which a 23-year-old girl was killed while crossing the road.[23][15] The victim's mother disagreed with the police investigation report that her daughter should bear secondary responsibility for not paying attention to traffic, since she had heard from witnesses that the car had been speeding, so she risked her life to experiment on herself with the help of her son and a driver for 10 days, demonstrating that the driving speed had to exceed 110 km/h for the accident to occur. She appealed to the Zhejiang Provincial Public Security Department, which upon reexamination concluded that Gui should bear full responsibility for the incident in May 2004. Her experiment was widely reported in the Chinese media. The victim's parents later filed a civil lawsuit against Gui for compensation.[27][28] The Ningbo Municipal Intermediate People's Court ruled the following August that Gui had committed a crime, for which Gui received a two-year suspended jail term.[9][15][29] He then departed for Germany, thus violated his probation terms.[23] In 2004, after leaving China, he worked for a German affiliate of Nordpool Consulting.[30]"
Michael wrote:As far as I can tell from a few high profile cases the past two years, the Swedes have no pull for their citizens in China, and they really seem like they just roll over for anything Beijing wanna do to their citizens.
Gui’s original disappearance – and that of four other Hong Kong booksellers, including one British citizen – was widely seen as part of a broader crackdown on Communist party foes that has unfolded since Xi Jinping became China’s leader in November 2012.
grzegorz wrote:We Americans like to preach and take the high yet we actually have one of the most corrupt govenements in the world.
Trick wrote:Before we shed tears for the bookman, From Wikipedia......."Gui returned to China in 1999 and started a daughter company in Ningbo for a Swedish company known in Chinese as Tangyou (唐友), offering air purification products.[25][26] Gui was involved in a drink-driving incident in Ningbo in December 2003 in which a 23-year-old girl was killed while crossing the road.[23][15] The victim's mother disagreed with the police investigation report that her daughter should bear secondary responsibility for not paying attention to traffic, since she had heard from witnesses that the car had been speeding, so she risked her life to experiment on herself with the help of her son and a driver for 10 days, demonstrating that the driving speed had to exceed 110 km/h for the accident to occur. She appealed to the Zhejiang Provincial Public Security Department, which upon reexamination concluded that Gui should bear full responsibility for the incident in May 2004. Her experiment was widely reported in the Chinese media. The victim's parents later filed a civil lawsuit against Gui for compensation.[27][28] The Ningbo Municipal Intermediate People's Court ruled the following August that Gui had committed a crime, for which Gui received a two-year suspended jail term.[9][15][29] He then departed for Germany, thus violated his probation terms.[23] In 2004, after leaving China, he worked for a German affiliate of Nordpool Consulting.[30]"
cor·rupt
adjective
1. having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
"unscrupulous logging companies assisted by corrupt officials"
synonyms: dishonest, unscrupulous, dishonorable, unprincipled, unethical, amoral, untrustworthy, venal, underhanded, double-dealing, fraudulent, bribable, criminal, illegal, unlawful, nefarious;
2. (of a text or a computer database or program) made unreliable by errors or alterations.
verb
1. cause to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
"there is a continuing fear of firms corrupting politicians in the search for contracts"
2. change or debase by making errors or unintentional alterations.
"Epicurus's teachings have since been much corrupted"
synonyms: alter, tamper with, interfere with, bastardize, debase, adulterate
"the apostolic writings had been corrupted"
Steve James wrote:Are American politicians less greedy, self-interested, or ready to throw their constituents (i.e., citizens) under the bus for personal gain? Is political corruption worse in China? I dunno, but I have no reason to believe that people in the US are no less corrupt or criminal.
I don't think it's as easy to go to China and start a criminal organization.
Naw, the US has been pretending to be righteous and exceptional. When it's always been corrupt and ordinary.
Michael wrote:grzegorz wrote:We Americans like to preach and take the high yet we actually have one of the most corrupt govenements in the world.
At least because of the way you phrased this, I gotta strongly disagree, especially in the context of discussing the PRC.
if corruption is being compared, then are you saying this based on more of a personal viewpoint as someone who's lived in a few different countries?
Living in China gives me the perspective that the US govt is one of the least relatively corrupt in the world. There are some attempts at objective measurement for this, as well as people's desire to immigrate to the US being a subjective indicator that it is less corrupt.
Certainly I'm aware of some of the problems and there are some, perhaps many of which I'm not aware or only partially aware, but I don't think there's more than a handful of countries I'd prefer to live in if I were looking for a middle class life in a stable society with low corruption. But since I'm not looking for that, maybe my view is distorted.
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