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Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby Patrick on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:23 am

Hello guys,

I wrote a new post on a book called "The arc of boxing. The rise and decline of the sweet science” by Mike Silver. Hope you enjoy.

http://dhyana-fitness.at/wordpress/boxi ... onnection/


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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby Fa Xing on Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:14 am

That was a very nice review and summary. I agree about the weight training, it would be interesting to see the programs these guys were working past the mid-1980s. However, when you view the programs in Workouts from Boxing's Greatest Champs: Get in Shape with Muhammad Ali, Fernando Vargas, Roy Jones Jr., and Other Legends http://amzn.to/2CYnwVP. There is a newer version of this book with other more recent boxers but I haven't read it. While I can agree that bodybuilding is mostly incompatible with boxing or most any other martial art, or even most sports, I think proper programming which is something that people seem to ignore is what will make the real difference in athletic ability.
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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby marvin8 on Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:38 pm

Patrick wrote:Hello guys,

I wrote a new post on a book called "The arc of boxing. The rise and decline of the sweet science” by Mike Silver. Hope you enjoy.

http://dhyana-fitness.at/wordpress/boxi ... onnection/


Take Care


Exerpts from Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection, http://dhyana-fitness.at/wordpress/boxi ... onnection/
Patrick on March 2, 2018 wrote:Soon boxers and their trainers brought in Strength & Conditioning coaches who came from Bodybuilding or weight lifiting. While they had experience in creating “impressive” physiques or lifting very heavy weights they had not much idea about a boxer’s body needs or how this training may influence the boxing performance of their trainees. The main critique of the author is that this type of training creates a body unfit for boxing once a threshold has been reached. The athlete´s body will become imbalanced. Speed, endurance and coordination suffer, because the body has to deal with the new energy and oxygen demand of the new bulky muscles.

This is a misrepresentation of today's modern fighters' strength and conditioning programs; bodybuilding and powerlifting are not the emphasis or totality.

Patrick wrote:Boxing and dancing to him have a common base, that is “moving through balance”. As a dancer or ex-boxer he was also not against weight training per se (he suggests four to five pound dumbbells), but notes that an athlete (i.e. a boxer or a ballet dancer) really needs to understand the interplay between tension and relaxation. Weight training should not create a tense body ridden with unneccary tension, but rather a nimble, agile and (also) strong one. He labels this as “muscle tone”. . . .

• The use of Heavy Weights in Boxing may have been influenced by BodyBuilding.
• Contrary to popular believe Heavy Weight lifting may not automatically enhance specific sport attributes.
• Boxing and Ballet athletes use the light dumbbells because the are benefical for attributes like speed and agility.

Today's fighters (martial artists) and trainers do understand “moving through balance” and "the interplay between tension and relaxation" when fighting with non-cooperative opponents.
Modern S & C programs are more encompassing than your article leads readers to believe.
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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby Patrick on Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:16 pm

Thank you for the comments.

I tried to make it clear that this was the authors opinion not exactly mine. Personally I have not much interest in combat sports (anymore) anyway, I just found the connection to the light dumbbell workout interesting.

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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby marvin8 on Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:58 pm

Patrick wrote:Thank you for the comments.

I tried to make it clear that this was the authors opinion not exactly mine. Personally[I have not much interest in combat sports (anymore) anyway, I just found the connection to the light dumbbell workout interesting.

Take Care

However, you gave an opinion, "I stumbled across a fantastic book . . ."

marvin8 wrote:Today's fighters (martial artists) and trainers do understand “moving through balance” and "the interplay between tension and relaxation" when fighting with non-cooperative opponents.

Modern S & C programs are more encompassing than your article leads readers to believe.

Since you, "found the connection to the light dumbbell workout interesting," I thought you/others may have an interest in a more accurate picture of today's S & C programs for martial artists (e.g., tai chi, etc.) which include the aforementioned goals: "speed, endurance and coordination," "energy systems," "moving through balance,” "relaxation," as well as health and aerobic fitness.
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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby Bill on Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:01 pm

I once saw a group of professional ballet dancers preparing for a workout. They were the most fit group of people that I have ever seen.
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Postby Steve James on Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:10 pm

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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby marvin8 on Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:19 pm

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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby Patrick on Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:57 am

However, you gave an opinion, "I stumbled across a fantastic book . . ."


The internet is a fantastic place with very nice people.
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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby marvin8 on Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:21 am

marvin8 wrote:
Patrick wrote:Thank you for the comments.

I tried to make it clear that this was the authors opinion not exactly mine.

However, you gave an opinion, "I stumbled across a fantastic book . . ."

Patrick wrote:
However, you gave an opinion, "I stumbled across a fantastic book . . ."

The internet is a fantastic place with very nice people.

I was going to add you're welcome. However, I was not clear whether your appreciation was sincere or sarcastic.

To better understand, what is the meaning of your statements?
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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby oragami_itto on Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:59 pm

Patrick wrote:Hello guys,

I wrote a new post on a book called "The arc of boxing. The rise and decline of the sweet science” by Mike Silver. Hope you enjoy.

http://dhyana-fitness.at/wordpress/boxi ... onnection/


Take Care

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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby Patrick on Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:31 am

Glad you liked it!
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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby Giles on Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:34 am

Steve James wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Y7oKPdV70

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Yeah, killer combination of Slavic folk dance and lots of classical ballet training. :D

Although I've never personally met or worked with a dancer with classical and/or modern technique training who could display the +/- "song" body qualities on initial contact with tai chi training. They all had to start with the basics of tai chi training. A few could pick it up quicker than the average, but even some technically excellent dancers had just as much trouble with this as normal folk.
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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby RobP3 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:44 am

I've worked a few times now with Bruno Caverna's Play Fight group, they are mostly professional dancers. My experience is that they have fantastic freedom of movement and flow. Some of the work is very close to what we do in Systema, in terms of "play". I've found this kind of work to be much softer than anything I encountered previously in other arts



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Re: Boxing, ballet and the light dumbbell connection

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:14 am

I just see this as hard and clumsy
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