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Drain what swamp?

Postby grzegorz on Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:13 pm

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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby Steve James on Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:56 pm

Ok, from my perspective, the real issue is how to ensure that all legit votes are counted. I think that people will complain about voter fraud most if they lose. Before the election, a pol will say that the election is rigged against him. If he loses, he'll say "See," and if he loses, he'll say "We beat them this time." If anyone suggests that there really was cheating, he'll say that they're just sore losers. Even if it's shown that people have attempted to rig elections, there's no call to improve the system.

Afa purging voters and just making it more difficult for people to vote, that's been going on for a long time. It's why there was a voting rights act. It's why there's gerrymandering.

Anyway, I don't have to trust the voting system in order to vote. I've known lots of people who've simply decided that it's a waste of time to try. I disagree. There's no reason to give up.
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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby Steve James on Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:29 pm

It is the uncertainty that can be used as a political weapon. True or false, it can get people to argue.

Jewish groups and U.S. lawmakers condemned Russian President Vladimir Putin’s suggestion that the 2016 U.S. presidential election may have been manipulated by Russian Jews.

Putin’s remarks came during a long and occasionally surreal interview with NBC News on Saturday, in which he speculated that nearly anyone other than the Russian government could have been behind a program to disrupt the election. U.S. intelligence agencies believe Putin ordered the effort to undermine faith in the U.S. election and help elect Donald Trump as president.

“Maybe they’re not even Russians,” Putin told Megyn Kelly, referring to who might have been behind the election interference. “Maybe they’re Ukrainian, Tatars, Jews — just with Russian citizenship.”

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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby Steve James on Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:12 am

Another one bites the dust. Just don't call it chaos. Are we great yet?
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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby grzegorz on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:43 am

Steve James wrote:Anyway, I don't have to trust the voting system in order to vote. I've known lots of people who've simply decided that it's a waste of time to try. I disagree. There's no reason to give up.


Greg shows how they tried to rig the 2012 election but Obama's numbers were too high for the election to be flipped.
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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby grzegorz on Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:07 pm

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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby Steve James on Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:23 pm

Well, she has no qualifications for being secretary of education except that she has an opinion. And that opinion is that the government spends too much on public education. Her solution is simply to spend less, especially on schools (um, she means individuals) who don't perform as well. It's an old argument.

Of course, she suggests putting more money into charter schools, but charter schools are simply public schools (with entrance requirements or lotteries) that spend more on each student. Iow, every parent who sends her child to a public school would want him to go to a charter school. Then again, 9 of 10 parents believe their child can be educated.

Anyway, I'd tell parents not to depend on the educational system for their children's education. It's not designed to do that. However, that doesn't mean that it's useless or even that it can't work. My point is that leaving your child's education up to someone like DeVos is foolish. Expect that funding will be taken away from everything public because then the only people assured an education will be those who can afford it on their own. Poor parents/people need to find a way to do it without money.

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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby grzegorz on Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:35 pm

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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby windwalker on Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:02 am

Talks about draining the swamp.
He even mentions the porn star, that some have problems with.
Interesting thoughts.


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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby windwalker on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:00 pm

grzegorz wrote:Image


Why is it that defenders / detractors of Trump can't use their own words and logic in a debate?

If anything it is just one step above bumper sticker slogans.


Know exactly what you mean, it is weird isn't it.
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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby grzegorz on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:02 pm

Ok, let's debate.

What did you of Greg's Palast claims?
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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby grzegorz on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:03 pm

LOL!

Now Trump is just getting lazy.

Trump's personal assistant fired amid Secret Service probe joins Trump campaign


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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby grzegorz on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:09 pm

All %100 accurate.

What is it about Besty DeVos that you feel she qualified to be our Secretary of Education?

If you wish we can debate Besty instead.

The choice is yours my friend.

I am impressed to see you step up ro defend Trump.

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grzegorz wrote:Image


Why is it that defenders / detractors of Trump can't use their own words and logic in a debate?

If anything it is just one step above bumper sticker slogans.


Know exactly what you mean, it is weird isn't it.
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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby Steve James on Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:18 pm

I'd argue that someone with no experience in education shouldn't run the Department of Education.
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Re: Drain what swamp?

Postby windwalker on Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:37 pm

Steve James wrote:I'd argue that someone with no experience in education shouldn't run the Department of Education.


In teaching or trying to reform it.

She's been involved in reforming and pushing school choice for awhile with mixed results depending on how they'er interpreted
some good some bad...At any rate, if one is for school choice she would be the advocate for it, if one is not she would not be the best choice.

If she can't do the job, or fails to do it as advertised she will be held accountable and replaced. Hopefully school choice, vouchers and other methods
help give choices and create school competition for US students.




"During the 1990s, she served on the boards of Children First America and the American Education Reform Council, which sought to expand school choice through vouchers and tax credits.

She and her husband worked for the successful passage of Michigan's first charter-school bill in 1993,[22] and for the unsuccessful effort in 2000 to amend Michigan's constitution to allow tax-credit scholarships or vouchers.

In response to that defeat, DeVos started a PAC, the Great Lakes Education Project, which championed charter schools. DeVos's husband and John Walton then founded All Children Matter, a political organization, which she chaired.[148]

Detroit charter school system
DeVos has been an advocate for the Detroit charter school system. Douglas N. Harris, professor of economics at Tulane University, wrote in a 2016 New York Times op-ed that DeVos was partly responsible for "what even charter advocates acknowledge is the biggest school reform disaster in the country". In the National Assessment of Educational Progress, Detroit had the lowest reading and mathematics scores "by far" over any city participating in the evaluation. According to Harris, she designed a system with no oversight in which schools that do poorly can continue to enroll students.[149]

Ramesh Ponnuru of National Review argued that Harris overstates the failure of charter schools in Detroit. According to Ponnuru, the study referenced by Harris, the National Assessment of Educational Progress, did "not sound nearly as helpful to Harris's case as he suggests".

Ponnuru pointed out that the study says "some 47 percent of charter schools in Detroit significantly outperform[ed] traditional public schools in reading and 49 percent of charters significantly outperforming traditionals on math. Only one percent of charters were significantly outperformed by traditional public schools in reading and only 7 percent on math."[150]

Also defending DeVos's record in Michigan, Jay P. Greene, professor of education policy at the University of Arkansas, argued that Harris's New York Times article misled readers on the evidence and "falsely claimed that Detroit has failed to close failing charter schools", noting that Detroit has closed more charters than Louisiana, a state Harris cites as a model for charter school legislation.[151]

In a written response to a question about charter school performance posed during DeVos's confirmation hearing by Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), asking "why do you think their performance is so poor?", DeVos defended the charter school system using graduation rates that were significantly higher than those used for state and federal accountability purposes.

DeVos provided examples of several charter schools that she said had 4-year graduation exceeding 90%. These examples were contested by Columbia University professor Aaron Pallas and Education Week reporter Ben Herold on the basis that the actual graduation rates were roughly only half as large as DeVos had stated.[152][153]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_DeVos
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