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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:47 pm

Manafort found guilty of 8 felonies.
Cohen pled guilty to 8 felonies, 2 directly implicate Trump.

I guess that's confirmation bias.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby windwalker on Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:53 pm

oragami_itto wrote:Manafort found guilty of 8 felonies.
Cohen pled guilty to 8 felonies, 2 directly implicate Trump.

I guess that's confirmation bias.



Implicit is not proven,
why not post how you feel how they are.

Can you explain how they implicate president Trump.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby windwalker on Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:19 pm

oragami_itto wrote:Manafort found guilty of 8 felonies.
Cohen pled guilty to 8 felonies, 2 directly implicate Trump.

I guess that's confirmation bias.


Let me help you

"Manafort was convicted by a jury on eight counts of bank fraud and tax evasion; the jury failed to reach a verdict on ten counts. Cohen pleaded guilty in an agreement with prosecutors and alleged that a “candidate” ad directed him to violate finance laws."

Apparently you're good with this an investigation that finds things unrelated to what it's supposed to be investigating. Not an issue. Actually opening up cases that the prior Administration had closed or chose not to prosecute.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby KEND on Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:06 am

The Tweets

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A large number of counts, ten, could not even be decided in the Paul Manafort case. Witch Hunt!
Aug. 22, 2018, 9:34 a.m.

Donald J. Trump
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I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!
Aug. 22, 2018, 9:21 a.m.

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If anyone is looking for a good lawyer, I would strongly suggest that you don’t retain the services of Michael Cohen!
Aug. 22, 2018, 8:44 a.m.
August 21, 2018

Donald J. Trump
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Just landed in West Virginia. Big crowd, looking forward to seeing everyone soon! #MAGA
Aug. 21, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

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Join me tonight at the Charleston Civic Center in West Virginia at 7:00pmE! Tickets: https://t.co/OX8gGhdmg9
Aug. 21, 2018, 11:22 a.m.

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To the incredible people of the Great State of Wyoming: Go VOTE TODAY for Foster Friess - He will be a fantastic Governor! Strong on Crime, Borders & 2nd Amendment. Loves our Military & our Vets. He has my complete and total Endorsement!
Aug. 21, 2018, 10:56 a.m.
Aug. 21, 2018, 10:15 a.m.

Donald J. Trump
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Big Rally tonight in West Virginia. Patrick Morrisey is running a GREAT race for U.S. Senate. I have done so much for West Virginia, against all odds, and having Patrick, a real fighter, by my side, would make things so much easier. See you later. CLEAN COAL!!!!
Aug. 21, 2018, 7:57 a.m.

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I am sorry to have to reiterate that there are serious and unpleasant consequences to crossing the Border into the United States ILLEGALLY! If there were no serious consequences, our country would be overrun with people trying to get in, and our system could not handle it!
Aug. 21, 2018, 7:41 a.m.

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Fake News, of which there is soooo much (this time the very tired New Yorker) falsely reported that I was going to take the extraordinary step of denying Intelligence Briefings to President Obama. Never discussed or thought of!
Aug. 21, 2018, 7:10 a.m.

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Even James Clapper has admonished John Brennan for having gone totally off the rails. Maybe Clapper is being nice to me so he doesn’t lose his Security Clearance for lying to Congress!
Aug. 21, 2018, 6:55 a.m.

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A Blue Wave means Crime and Open Borders. A Red Wave means Safety and Strength!
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August 20, 2018
Aug. 20, 2018, 1:14 p.m.

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“Bruce Ohr is at the center of FALSE ALLEGATIONS which led to a multi-million dollar investigation into what apparently didn’t happen.” Darrell Issa, House Oversight. We can take out the word “apparently.” @FoxNews
Aug. 20, 2018, 10:46 a.m.

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Will Bruce Ohr, whose family received big money for helping to create the phony, dirty and discredited Dossier, ever be fired from the Jeff Sessions “Justice” Department? A total joke!
Aug. 20, 2018, 10:36 a.m.

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Everybody wants to keep their Security Clearance, it’s worth great prestige and big dollars, even board seats, and that is why certain people are coming forward to protect Brennan. It certainly isn’t because of the good job he did! He is a political “hack.”
Aug. 20, 2018, 10:23 a.m.

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I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit. It will then be very easy to get all of his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did, but how he was involved with the Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt. He won’t sue!
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Where’s the Collusion? They made up a phony crime called Collusion, and when there was no Collusion they say there was Obstruction (of a phony crime that never existed). If you FIGHT BACK or say anything bad about the Rigged Witch Hunt, they scream Obstruction!
Aug. 20, 2018, 7:48 a.m.

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....looking for trouble. They are enjoying ruining people’s lives and REFUSE to look at the real corruption on the Democrat side - the lies, the firings, the deleted Emails and soooo much more! Mueller’s Angry Dems are looking to impact the election. They are a National Disgrace!
Aug. 20, 2018, 7:38 a.m.

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Disgraced and discredited Bob Mueller and his whole group of Angry Democrat Thugs spent over 30 hours with the White House Councel, only with my approval, for purposes of transparency. Anybody needing that much time when they know there is no Russian Collusion is just someone....
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby Steve James on Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:57 pm

No matter what, historians are going to have a field day with his writings. They're bound to note that the guy who got out of serving because of heel spurs is calling (Republican) Mueller, who was a Marine rifle platoon leader in Vietnam, a "national disgrace." In fact, it turns out that anyone who disagrees with him is unAmerican. We were taught that the right to speak one's mind was "American" and one of the (Constitutional) things that made America "great."
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby windwalker on Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:50 pm

Steve James wrote:No matter what, historians are going to have a field day with his writings. They're bound to note that the guy who got out of serving because of heel spurs is calling (Republican) Mueller, who was a Marine rifle platoon leader in Vietnam, a "national disgrace."Lee Harvey Oswald honorably discharged from the corps, did that exonerate him from any wrong doing. In fact, it turns out that anyone who disagrees with him is unAmerican. We were taught that the right to speak one's mind was "American" and one of the (Constitutional) things that made America "great."


Doesn't he also have the right to speak his mind? or would you rather have a politician.
One might argue that there has never been a more transparent president one who speaks his mind
freely...Whether its good or not,,,the next election will tell.


It remains to be seen what history will record about this time..

What will history say about the 90% + negative coverage by the bought and paid for free press.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby Steve James on Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:03 pm

Sure he does. It's just funny when he calls someone a liar, dishonest, un-American and a disgrace to America for executing his right to free speech. Seems hypocritical to me.

You call it transparency, :), but being transparently treasonous or stupid isn't a virtue. Sure, he can talk off the top of his head. However, he has the power to launch nuclear missiles on a whim too. Some people might prefer a president who thought before he spoke, instead of incessantly tweeting his thoughts diarrhea-like.

Afa the press and media, he calls them the enemy of the people. But, they're talking about him. Calling them Trump's enemy might be correct, but saying it's because they're "bought and paid for" is just more convenient rhetoric. The press and media have always been commercial enterprises, bought and paid for. Nixon was at least as critical of the 1970s press and media as Trump is, maybe more. Nixon didn't, iirc, never picked on an individual reporter --not even Woodward or Bernstein. And, he didn't condemn the FBI, CIA, his AG, the Justice Department, and any other institution or institutional leader --even the Pope_- who disagreed with him.

Historians will read him saying "there was no collusion" in one tweet, but "if there was, collusion is not a crime," and "if it's a crime, they should be investigating Hillary." Historians will have a hard time deciding whether he thought collusion was wrong or not. How do we know? We're here now and we don't have a clue. :)
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby windwalker on Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:22 pm

Steve James wrote:Sure he does. It's just funny when he calls someone a liar, dishonest, un-American and a disgrace to America for executing his right to free speech. Seems hypocritical to me.

You call it transparency, :), but being transparently treasonous or stupid isn't a virtue. Sure, he can talk off the top of his head. However, he has the power to launch nuclear missiles on a whim too. Some people might prefer a president who thought before he spoke, instead of incessantly tweeting his thoughts diarrhea-like. Are you saying he is tresonouse, and stupid. would you rather have someone like the last president who made back room deals that are now being undone....because in part they were back room not in accordance with law.

Afa the press and media, he calls them the enemy of the people. But, they're talking about him. Calling them Trump's enemy might be correct, but saying it's because they're "bought and paid for" is just more convenient rhetoric. The press and media have always been commercial enterprises, bought and paid for. Nixon was at least as critical of the 1970s press and media as Trump is, maybe more. Nixon didn't, iirc, never picked on an individual reporter --not even Woodward or Bernstein. And, he didn't condemn the FBI, CIA, his AG, the Justice Department, and any other institution or institutional leader --even the Pope_- who disagreed with him. you might try google to see how much of the press is owned by who. Can you say how many of the Top FBI people just lost their jobs or removed from their positions...is there a historical precedent "The following is an attempt to begin compiling a more complete list of individuals with possible involvement or affiliation in Trump Surveillance, Steele Dossier and/or the Russia Narrative." https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/01/a ... ticipants/

Historians will read him saying "there was no collusion" in one tweet, but "if there was, collusion is not a crime," and "if it's a crime, they should be investigating Hillary." Historians will have a hard time deciding whether he thought collusion was wrong or not. How do we know? We're here now and we don't have a clue. :)


It's not we, its you and some others.

If your unable to see whats going on could be an issue for you if you let it.
There are things he does that I don't care for but understand that its just his style,
for me the larger issue is whats being done to bring down a duly elected president.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby Steve James on Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:38 am

There are things he does that I don't care for but understand that its just his style,
for me the larger issue is whats being done to bring down a duly elected president.


The people are trying to bring him down, especially the ones who didn't vote for him (i.e., the majority). Trump gets the treatment he deserves. Too bad he's not able to take what he likes to dish out. That's why he tries to silence his critics, which only makes it worse. He was right when he said that his supporters wouldn't leave if he shot someone on Fifth Ave. And, he was right. Sad.

Afa the media, all that is required is that they tell the truth. Don't pay to their opinions about it. As in either x happened, or it didn't. The president has the same requirement. Honesty is the best policy.

Afa his "style," it was a sorry moment when he congratulated an Hispanic ICE officer for speaking English well. Damn. That's not exactly praise coming from him. :) Anyway, why should he care about a person's accent. Listen to his wife.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby KEND on Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:10 am

The weak link in the chain---the Finance Chief. Another nail in the coffin
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby oragami_itto on Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:13 pm

The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here.

President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.


That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.


The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.

From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.

It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

The result is a two-track presidency.

Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.

This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.

There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.

The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby Giles on Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:48 am

There are many good arguments for taking a new approach to politics in many Western democracies. The excessive influence of lobbyists and their big-business agendas, corruption, complacency, short-term and short-sighted thinking, party interests above national or global interests, a failure to respond to potentially disastrous ecological changes etc. – these are all serious and chronic failings of “the political establishment” in many cases. Electing leaders who have the courage and vision to transcend such aspects of a supposed (and arguable) ‘swamp’ and take more or less radical action is an understandable and probably healthy step.

So far in principle. But Donald Trump is the wrong person for such a role. He is so obviously a destructive and disastrous choice, I find it incomprehensible that anyone of any sense or integrity can still wish him to continue in office. To say things like “Sure, I don’t like everything about him, but basically he’s a good thing/doing a good job.” Economic experts agree that the economic upturn in the US is chiefly the longer-term result of measures taken during the Obama administration (as far as I can tell, those who do not confirm this view are silent on the matter, they do not credibly refute it). In the meantime, Trump is doing damage to the political and cultural discourse in the US (as referenced by the anonymous writer) and to the world at large (not referenced by the conservative writer, of course, but the withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accord is one 'shining' example). Even when he is gone, this damage may be so great that his ‘legacy’ will continue for a long time. He may be paving the way for other persons or groups that will prove equally or even more destructive. Both in the US and, following his example, in other countries too.

Of course, one can also take the perspective that he is also a symptom of a more global trend towards anti-intellectual, anti-fact populism, not the cause. But he is certainly part of a very vicious circle.
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby KEND on Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:19 am

For once I come to praise trump not to bury him. The recent review of the north atlantic treaty was needed . This and its pacific counterpart that included the provision where corporations could sue governments was written behind closed doors and passed with minimal input from the elected officials. This was part of the fabric of 'world government' where institutions like the central bank, fed etc control countries and override national governments. Greece was one example, Iceland another where cheap lending to unscrupulous politicians landed the country in unsupportable debt, the fat cats were OK but the working stiff got stiffed
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby windwalker on Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:57 am

Congressional investigators have confirmed that a top FBI official met with Democratic Party lawyers to talk about allegations of Donald Trump-Russia collusion weeks before the 2016 election, and before the bureau secured a search warrant targeting Trump’s campaign.

Former FBI general counsel James Baker met during the 2016 season with at least one attorney from Perkins Coie, the Democratic National Committee’s private law firm.

That’s the firm used by the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign to secretly pay research firm Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence operative, to compile a dossier of uncorroborated raw intelligence alleging Trump and Moscow were colluding to hijack the presidential election.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/40981 ... ier-before

seems like things are starting to get closer to finding out what really happened..
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Re: The Reality presidency you're fired

Postby Steve James on Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:09 am

seems like things are starting to get closer to finding out what really happened..


Do you mean closer to finding out what happened in the Trump-team/ Putin-team meeting, or about the FBI's process of investigating that meeting?

Let's say both are true. Well, we know the Trump Tower meeting happened. And let's say that the FBI met with the DNC itself to discuss that meeting. Which one was worse. Colluding or asking for cooperation with a foreign government, or Americans colluding or cooperating with Americans to find out about it?
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