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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby windwalker on Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:00 pm

KEND wrote:As I predicted scapegoats have been found and no doubt will be executed or accidentally died to protect the prince, and also predictably trump will go along with. A billion dollar contract carries a lot of weight


It only means you are unable to entertain any other conclusion outside of your own predicted outcome.
Can you provide your rational why the US should give up the contract,and stop dealing with one of the few allies
in the region.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby Steve James on Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:45 pm

Can you provide your rational why the US should give up the contract,and stop dealing with one of the few allies
in the region.


Well, it isn't practical to stop dealing with the Saudis. Though, it has more to do with oil production and arms sales than with the Saudi need for self defense. It is the home of Islam in the world. It is as fundamentalist as a country can be. So, all the talk about allies is just more doublespeak that reverses as soon as people start talking about how repressive and evil Muslim societies are. The Saudis know that too. They're our "allies" because it ensures the survival of the kingdom of Saud, and all that entails economically.

However, if the question is why we should punish the Saudis for the murder, then one answer would be as a deterrent to them doing it again. If another journalist walks into a Saudi embassy and gets chopped up, what's to stop the deal then? Pat Robertson (the evangelical leader) says that it wouldn't make sense to drop the deal for "one" man. What if that man were an important U.S. politician?

It's more that this particular man was not important enough, not that he was only one. Anyway, it doesn't even rise to being a moral issue or a dilemma. The fact is that the money matters more than the fact that the Saudis did it. And, they've admitted doing it after the pres has said that he believed their denials. It'd be possible to just "condemn the assassination in the strongest language possible" and then demand extradition of the assassins --which might take years, if it ever happened.

I.e., just fake outrage and do next to nothing. Giving assassination the official (evangelical) okay for the sake of profit is a strategic error, imv. Ok, at least it's honest American.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby windwalker on Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:00 pm

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all the talk about allies is just more doublespeak that reverses as soon as people start talking about how repressive and evil Muslim societies are.

The Saudis know that too. They're our "allies" because it ensures the survival of the kingdom of Saud, and all that entails economically. "


You might want to check your bias look up what the word Ally means.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby Trick on Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:14 am

Ahh, they’re probably all Shriners, all the leaders of the western world. Secretly paying homage to the cube. That’s why the Saudis are left to do as they want.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby windwalker on Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:51 am

Trick wrote:Ahh, they’re probably all Shriners, all the leaders of the western world. Secretly paying homage to the cube. That’s why the Saudis are left to do as they want.


Can you read this in China?

The fate of Khashoggi has at least provoked global outrage, but it’s for all the wrong reasons. We are told he was a liberal, Saudi progressive voice fighting for freedom and democracy, and a martyr who paid the ultimate price for telling the truth to power.

This is not just wrong, but distracts us from understanding what the incident tells us about the internal power dynamics of a kingdom going through an unprecedented period of upheaval. It is also the story of how one man got entangled in a Saudi ruling family that operates like the Mafia. Once you join, it’s for life, and if you try to leave, you become disposable.

In truth, Khashoggi never had much time for western-style pluralistic democracy. In the 1970s he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, which exists to rid the Islamic world of western influence.

He was a political Islamist until the end, recently praising the Muslim Brotherhood in the Washington Post. He championed the ‘moderate’ Islamist opposition in Syria, whose crimes against humanity are a matter of record.

Khashoggi frequently sugarcoated his Islamist beliefs with constant references to freedom and democracy. But he never hid that he was in favour of a Muslim Brotherhood arc throughout the Middle East. His recurring plea to bin Salman in his columns was to embrace not western-style democracy, but the rise of political Islam which the Arab Spring had inadvertently given rise to. For Khashoggi, secularism was the enemy.

https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

keep in mind he was not a US citizen, nor a green card holder,
although he was in the US as a visa holder.

"Jamal Khashoggi, one of Saudi Arabia’s most prominent journalists"

Guess he should known better....must have spent to much time in the US.

However, if the question is why we should punish the Saudis for the murder, then one answer would be as a deterrent to them doing it again. If another journalist walks into a Saudi embassy and gets chopped up, what's to stop the deal then? Pat Robertson (the evangelical leader) says that it wouldn't make sense to drop the deal for "one" man. What if that man were an important U.S. politician?


Funny right, completely ignores he was a Saudi citizen, subject to their laws.
If he happened to be a US politician it could still happen but not likely nor be directly
state sponsored if it was.

Lets see, is he a Saudi citizen first or a journalists first, does being a journalist save one from
things that some find offensive and act on, or does being a Saudi citizen subject one to their laws and customs.
They seem to have a thing for "Saudi Arabia criticised for 48 :o beheadings in four months of 2018"

mmm dont know about journalists but being a cartoonist
can be life threatening ask Charlie Hebdo,,oops you cant he was killed...
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby origami_itto on Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:41 am

Respectfully that's a whole lot of misinformation to pack into one post there. I have to assume it's intentional.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby windwalker on Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:14 am

oragami_itto wrote:Respectfully that's a whole lot of misinformation to pack into one post there. I have to assume it's intentional.


you can always pick it apart...highlight the misinformation.......should be easy
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby everything on Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:21 am

How many countries/societies really have free speech?
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby Peacedog on Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:26 am

Khashoggi was a bad guy who had a bad end. Frankly, the world is better off without him. Just another Islamist scumbag to bite the pile. I hope he is enjoying his 72, most likely male, virgins in hell.

My guess is the prince was drunk in Malta/the French Riviera/wherever and said something like, "man something needs to happen to this guy." And then one of his guys took some initiative to resolve the problem, hoping to seek favor with the prince. Which is how things work in old school monarchies.

The only thing that really annoys me about this is how the media keep referring to this creep as a journalist (he isn't) and how they keep trying to tie this to the Trump administration. It's not like the Saudis were known for be heavy handed regarding their internal insurgents or anything.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:06 pm

Trump is a whore and has been paid off by the Saudis.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:11 pm

I am convinced that Trump knew about this before is happened which is why he is implicit on the cover up.

If IS cuts off a head we want to bomb them but if it's the Saudis...? The Saudis attacked us on 9-11, the Saudis sponsor Al Qaeda, IS and Wahhabist Islamic schools around the world but the US and Trump is in bed with them.

I believe Kashoogi was killed because he had information that the Saudis funded Bin Laden since he knew Bin Laden back when Bin Laden was funded the US.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:14 pm

Good on the Turks! They are stating that they will reveal everything.

Unlike our Pussy president Trump.

Can you imagine if Obama or Hillary tried to pull this cover up Trump is trying to pull? Shoot! Half the country would call to jail the president.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:22 pm

KEND wrote:Interesting insights into the politics of the vctim. It appears the proxy wars between Saudi and iran have been brought to the surface, the lines have been drawn, turkey and iran with their surrogate the moslem brotherhood which Egypt successfully erased[with minimum dissent from the west] vs Saudi, Egypt and the tacit support of Israel. I think trump was trying to get a better deal from the Saudis but will be persuaded by his more worldly party members to drop his objections and support the prince. Its a harsh real world, like the support of dictators in south America was a half a century ago, then it was 'the communists' now it is the ;islamists'


The Saudis want to fight a war with Iran to the last American soldier.

Trump is clearly incompetent. He f**ked up. He tore up the Iran Nuclear deal although the rest of the world including his friend Putin are still part of it and now the Saudis own him. Without the Saudis the US would have zero influence in the Middle East which Putin is currently celebrating by the way, the fact that the US has lost all its credibility and respect around the world.

The Saudis have always owned him and you can find videos of Trump saying he loves the Saudis because they rent from him.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:25 pm

Peacedog wrote:Khashoggi was a bad guy who had a bad end. Frankly, the world is better off without him. Just another Islamist scumbag to bite the pile. I hope he is enjoying his 72, most likely male, virgins in hell.



Yeah, sounda like a real monster! He wants a free press so let's cut off all his fingers and behead him when he shows up with his fiancee.

Jamal Khashoggi: What the Arab world needs most is free expression

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... f49193f624
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby Peacedog on Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:13 pm

He was an Islamist, supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who want to establish a pan-Arab theocracy via the ballot box, and a personal friend of Osama Bin Laden.

He was also a close personal associate of many of the conservative/Wahhabist clerics that bin Salman had recently jailed.

He was a bad guy who was adept at manipulating Western media.

He was a non-US citizen, non-US resident who died in Turkey.

The only thing I'm upset about was the fact that clerk at DoS gave him a visa to the US.
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