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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:37 pm

You didn't read a word of my posts, did you?

I know everything you stated and stated such. Please actually read my comments before school me on what I already know.

Even if he were a US citizen Trump wouldn't give a damn. Trump is a whore, own, bought and paid for by the Saudis.

The reason dude was exiled by the Saudis was because he criticized then candidate Trump.

Looks like i believe in the Constitution more than you which guarantees the right of a free press. There is nothing in the Constitution which says US citizens only.

Dude criticized Trump and was killed by Trumps connections who also fund IS and Al Qaeda.


Wake up already. You are military and so am.

I was trained to hate and fear Muslims as are you. Turns it was bullshit. The ones we should fear or should I say question are the Saudi Royal family who funded and paid for 9-11 so we would shut down the Prince Sultan AF base which Bush Jr did immediately.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:43 pm

Trump was played. The Saudis could have done the same to Ivanka and he would still defend the Saudis.

They own him and without the Saudis the US influence would basically disappear from the Middle East.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:46 pm

‘I love the Saudis’: Trump business ties to kingdom run deep

By Bernard Condon, Stephen Braun and Tami Abdollah | AP

October 12

NEW YORK — He’s booked hotel rooms and meeting spaces to them, sold an entire floor in one of his buildings to them and, in desperate moments in his career, gotten a billionaire from the country to buy his yacht and New York’s Plaza Hotel overlooking Central Park.

President Donald Trump’s ties to Saudi Arabia run long and deep, and he’s often boasted about his business ties with the kingdom.

“I love the Saudis,” Trump said when announcing his presidential run at Trump Tower in 2015. “Many are in this building.”

Now those ties are under scrutiny as the president faces calls for a tougher response to the kingdom’s government following the disappearance, and possible killing, of one of its biggest critics, journalist and activist Jamal Khashoggi.

Trump said Friday that he will soon speak with Saudi Arabia’s king about Khashoggi’s disappearance. But he also has said he doesn’t want to scuttle a lucrative arms deal with the kingdom and noted that Khashoggi, a U.S. resident, is not a citizen. For its part, Saudi Arabia has called allegations it killed Khashoggi “baseless.”

The president’s links to Saudi billionaires and princes go back years, and appear to have only deepened.

In 1991, as Trump was teetering on personal bankruptcy and scrambling to raise cash, he sold his 282-foot Trump yacht “Princess” to Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin-Talal for $20 million, a third less than what he reportedly paid for it.

Four years later, the prince came to his rescue again, joining other investors in a $325 million deal for Trump’s money-losing Plaza Hotel.

In 2001, Trump sold the entire 45th floor of the Trump World Tower across from the United Nations in New York for $12 million, the biggest purchase in that building to that point, according to the brokerage site Streeteasy. The buyer: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Shortly after he announced his run for president, Trump began laying the groundwork for possible new business in the kingdom. He registered eight companies with names tied to the country, such as “THC Jeddah Hotel Advisor LLC” and “DT Jeddah Technical Services,” according to a 2016 financial disclosure report to the federal government. Jeddah is a major city in the country.

“Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million,” Trump told a crowd at an Alabama rally on Aug. 21, 2015, the same day he created four of the entities. “Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

The president’s company, the Trump Organization, said shortly after his 2016 election that it had shut down those Saudi companies. The president later pledged to pursue no new foreign deals while in office.

In a statement this week, the company said it has explored business opportunities in many countries but that it does “not have any plans for expansion into Saudi Arabia.”

Since Trump took the oath of office, the Saudi government and lobbying groups for it have been lucrative customers for Trump’s hotels.

A public relations firm working for the kingdom spent nearly $270,000 on lodging and catering at his Washington hotel near the Oval Office through March of last year, according to filings to the Justice Department. A spokesman for the firm told The Wall Street Journal that the Trump hotel payments came as part of a Saudi-backed lobbying campaign against a bill that allowed Americans to sue foreign governments for responsibility in the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Attorneys general for Maryland and the District of Columbia cited the payments by the Saudi lobbying firm as an example of foreign gifts to the president that could violate the Constitution’s ban on such “emoluments” from foreign interests.

The Saudi government was also a prime customer at the Trump International Hotel in New York early this year, according to a Washington Post report.

The newspaper cited an internal letter from the hotel’s general manager, who wrote that a “last-minute” visit in March by a group from Saudi Arabia accompanying Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had boosted room rentals at the hotel by 13 percent for the first three months of the year, after two years of decline.

Saudi Arabia has also helped on one of Trump’s key policy promises, and helped the president’s friends along the way.

Last year, the kingdom announced plans to invest $20 billion in a private U.S.-focused infrastructure fund managed by Blackstone Group, an investment firm led by CEO Stephen Schwarzman. Blackstone stock rose on the news. Earlier this year, Trump unveiled a $200 billion federal plan to fix the nation’s airports, roads, highways and ports, tapping private companies for help and selling off some government owned infrastructure.

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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby Peacedog on Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:52 pm

Dude, the fact that you think this has anything to do with Trump is just plain weird.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:06 pm

Peacedog wrote:Dude, the fact that you think this has anything to do with Trump is just plain weird.


LOL! We are discussing Trump's non action.

I tell you what. This would not have happened under Reagan.

We are lauging stock of the world. No one respects the US.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby windwalker on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:06 pm

Peacedog wrote:He was an Islamist, supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who want to establish a pan-Arab theocracy via the ballot box, and a personal friend of Osama Bin Laden.

He was also a close personal associate of many of the conservative/Wahhabist clerics that bin Salman had recently jailed.

He was a bad guy who was adept at manipulating Western media.

He was a non-US citizen, non-US resident who died in Turkey.

The only thing I'm upset about was the fact that clerk at DoS gave him a visa to the US.



Good post.

Brings to light things that some may have missed.

"He was a non-US citizen, non-US resident who died in Turkey. "

Don't quite understand what some might have the u.s. do. The country of his national origin is investigating what happened to one of their citizens and are taking actions.

Whether one agrees with them or not.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:08 pm

Hmmm....France and UK have condemned Saudi Arabia. Only Trump is silent.

I am sure Maddis and Kelly are not.


Btw, that arms deal is bullshit.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:10 pm

windwalker wrote:
Peacedog wrote:He was an Islamist, supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who want to establish a pan-Arab theocracy via the ballot box, and a personal friend of Osama Bin Laden.

He was also a close personal associate of many of the conservative/Wahhabist clerics that bin Salman had recently jailed.

He was a bad guy who was adept at manipulating Western media.

He was a non-US citizen, non-US resident who died in Turkey.

The only thing I'm upset about was the fact that clerk at DoS gave him a visa to the US.



Good post.

Brings to light things that some may have missed.

"He was a non-US citizen, non-US resident who died in Turkey. "

Don't quite understand what some might have the u.s. do. The country of his national origin is investigating what happened to one of their citizens and are taking actions.

Whether one agrees with them or not.


Wind, the Saudis fund IS and Al Qaeda. Ever wonder where the practice if beheading came from?
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:12 pm

Trump first visit as pres to a foreign country.

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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:14 pm

Dear Trump supporters,

Imagine all this happened under Obama and perhaps then you will wake up.

If nothing else you'd stop defending this president because you have lost all credibility of your critical thinking skills.

Papers or not, the journalist lived in the US and the Saudis are responsible for 9-11, IS and Al Qaeda.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:22 pm

The non-US citizen is a BS argument anyway. Kuwaitis are not US citizens and we went to war for that country after signaling to Saddam that we would not get involved in an Arab to Arab conflict.

Before that Saddam was a US ally we used to keep Iran in check.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:04 pm

FWIW Trump is slowly toughening his stance against Saudi.

Just today he has said he is not satisfied with Saudi's account of what happened.

So be careful defending Trump's stance from last week because next week he might do a 180.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:04 pm

Putin doesn't buy Trump's "he's not a citizen so let's see what happens argument."

Putin Hails Sunset of U.S. Global Domination Due To Mounting 'Mistakes'

Putin Hails Sunset of U.S. Global Domination Due To Mounting 'Mistakes'

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HuffPostOctober 18, 2018, 7:08 PM PDT

Russian President Vladimir Putin gloated Thursday about what he sees as the end of the United States’ world dominance due to growing “mistakes.” 

Putin also claimed America holds “some responsibility” for the disappearance of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggibecause the Saudi journalist was living in the U.S., he said in annual foreign policy speech, according to the Financial Times. He did not elaborate. Khashoggi has not been seen since he entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2. Turkish officials say he was murdered and dismembered by orders of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

“In this regard, the U.S. has a certain responsibility. If someone knows what happens and there was a murder, I hope some evidence is provided. And dependent on that, we will make some decisions,” Putin added in his remarks in the Black Sea resort of Sochi. He said there was currently no reason to “harm our relations with Saudi Arabia.”

As for the U.S., he said that “empires often think they can make some little mistakes ... because they’re so powerful. But when the number of these mistakes keeps growing, it reaches a level they cannot sustain.”

He added: “A country can get the sense from impunity that you can do anything. This is the result of the monopoly from a unipolar world ... . Luckily this monopoly is disappearing. It’s almost done.”

Putin also boasted that Russia’s “hypersonic” weapon system will be the best in the world within months. Such a system would allow missile speeds of at least five times the speed of sound, or about one mile per second, CNBC reported. The U.S. is currently incapable of defending itself against such a system, CNBC said.

Putin said Russia’s nuclear weapons would be used only to retaliate against an enemy strike. “We have no concept of a preemptive strike,” Putin said in response to a question, Agence France-Presse reported. “The aggressor will have to understand that retaliation is inevitable, that it will be destroyed and that we, as victims of aggression, as martyrs, will go to heaven.”

Putin shrugged off deteriorating relationships with the West, saying Russia is forging stronger friendships with Asia and the Mideast. Yet he also said President Donald Trump is continuing to work to improve ties with Russia.

“It’s better to talk, to have a conversation, than to be like cats and dogs that keep fighting each other,” Putin said, according to the Financial Times.
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby Trick on Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:45 pm

grzegorz wrote:Trump is a whore and has been paid off by the Saudis.

come on, isn’t all leaders and former such in the Western Hemisphere whorish....
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Re: The Saudi Embassy affair

Postby grzegorz on Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:50 pm

No some leaders actually choose what is in the best interest of the country over themselves.

Is "oh come gee golly" a defense?

Because it's a BS defense and these Trump supporters would never say that if Obama pulled this crap.

Could you imagine the outrage if Hillary defended the Saudis?

Remember Benghazi?

As i said stayed tuned looks like Trump is on Twitter and is realizing he is looking week.

I imagine the Saudis will blame, jail and execute the assassins themselves who were just following orders.

I am no fan of Putin but is absolutely correct that the US has lost any influence it had on the world.
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