Trick wrote:IS !? Keep such groups far far away from the civilized world.
grzegorz wrote:Trump throwing Otto under the bus proves that Khashoggi being a citizen or not did not matter Trump.
Otto was a citizen and he didn't stand up to the Norks or Kim for their treatment of him.
Michael wrote:grzegorz wrote:Trump throwing Otto under the bus proves that Khashoggi being a citizen or not did not matter Trump.
Otto was a citizen and he didn't stand up to the Norks or Kim for their treatment of him.
You and Steve also threw Otto under the bus and refused to even give him the benefit of the doubt, but now you wanna use him because it's related to Trump? Come on, try and be consistent, and Khashoggi was not a US citizen.
Michael wrote:grzegorz wrote:Trump throwing Otto under the bus proves that Khashoggi being a citizen or not did not matter Trump.
Otto was a citizen and he didn't stand up to the Norks or Kim for their treatment of him.
You and Steve also threw Otto under the bus and refused to even give him the benefit of the doubt, but now you wanna use him because it's related to Trump? Come on, try and be consistent, and Khashoggi was not a US citizen.
Trick wrote:haha grezgorz has worked on this for one and a half month now to come up with a new fresh angle
Saying that, to clarify so there isn't any further misunderstandings
Otto Warmbier’s family has come out to publicly shame President Donald Trump for siding with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, who claimed he didn’t know their son was being mistreated during his incarceration.
“We have been respectful during this summit process. Now we must speak out. Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto,” Fred and Cindy Warmbier said in a statement provided to CNN. “Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses or lavish praise can change that.”
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... Trump said he believed that Kim had not known that Warmbier was being tortured, which is absolute bullshit considering that citizens of North Korea can’t even move freely around the city without being questioned.
“I personally find that statement extremely hard to believe,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), The Hill reports.
In a speech on the Senate floor, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), who represents Warmbier’s home state, warned the president not to be “naive” about the “brutal nature” of the North Korean regime.
“I want to make clear that we can never forget about Otto. His treatment at the hands of his captors was unforgivable and it tells us a lot about the nature of the regime,” said Portman.
“We can’t be naive about what they did to Otto, about the brutal nature of the regime that would do this to an American citizen,” he warned, The Hill reports.
...Susan Collins...“I am surprised that he accepted at face value apparently what happened to the American who was held there,” she said.
Trump publicly admitted that Kim told him he didn’t know that Warmbier was being mistreated, and he just believed him.
“He tells me he didn’t know about it, and I take him at his word,” Trump said Thursday.
For those keeping score at home, this is the third evil dictator who’s told Trump he didn’t do something and Trump just believed him. The first was his bae Russian President Vladimir Putin, who told Trump that Russia had nothing to do with steering the presidential election in Trump’s favor. Trump also sided with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who was implicated in the death of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
If Trump is publicly chummy with Putin, Kim, or another potential antagonist--even an ancillary one like MBS--the appearance of good relations reduces the likelihood of war, because in democratic countries wars have to be sold to the public.
It seems you're more concerned with defending Trump on any issue than caring for Otto.
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