What kind of diet are you following?

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Re: What kind of diet are you following?

Postby Peacedog on Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:35 pm

When it comes to diet and body composition life is very much unfair.

As I've stated here before, a good 60% of the population really has no major issues and can basically eat what they want.

For the other 30-40% it's an issue. And that issue is almost always a matter of carbohydrate consumption.

A small percentage have a legitimate endocrine system issue and varying pharmaceutical level interventions can prove very helpful.

Now the real villains in this story, in my opinion of course, are the medical community writ large. And, no, I am not talking about the pharmaceutical companies at all in this context.

It is the doctors, and their friends in the regulatory apparatus at the FDA, that are the real problem.

Multiple studies exist that pretty comprehensively show diet as the primary intervention almost always fails. And this same group of people basically blames the fatties for having a lack of willpower. Not that any of the people doing the studies have any personal experience with the condition in my experience. So a continued focus on this is pointless.

Compounds do exist that, from the limited studies available, result in what appears to be permanent weight loss. They exclusively fall into the category of thermogenics and anabolic steroids. They all have serious side effects and can be fatal if misused. The two most well known are DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol) and Anavar. Yet no research is conducted into this despite even the DoD stating that obesity is now a national security issue.

An important concept to keep in mind when looking at medicine are the biases inherent to the researcher's view of the work at hand. And no one is researching anything in terms of treating obesity that has any hope of working as, other than the two before mentioned compounds and surgical removal, nothing has been found to actually destroy fat cells once they are constructed. And no one is willing to address liberalizing the use of the drugs we currently have either.

The medical community's inability to pull it's head out of it's ass is literally killing people. The medical cost of obesity in 2008 was almost $150B at the time alone.

This is a bit of a rant on my part. But it is very frustrating to routinely see people walk into the clinic who are only going to get worse, despite real working solutions existing to their problems. And knowing that I cannot access them.
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Re: What kind of diet are you following?

Postby klonk on Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:59 am

My experiments seem conclusive that in my case, anyway, the problem is not carbs per se. The problem is oversaturation with carbs, and is addressed by drawing down the stored carbs (glycogen) level. I was in ketosis for a while, showing that the readily burned glycogen was gone from my system. Then I added back carbs at a modest level that I am monitoring and feel better than I did before or during the keto diet.

Your metabolism may vary.
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Re: What kind of diet are you following?

Postby Peacedog on Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:57 am

Klonk,

I think that jives. As you mentioned earlier, prior to surgery you had no real issues with this kind of thing. Surgery, and the associated drugs, buggered up your GI tract and going keto for a little while re-established everything back to normal.

It is interesting to note that a few case studies have been written on young men who spontaneously became clinically obese, around 400 pounds or so, went onto a ketogenic diet for a year, or two, and when they came off it their metabolism had essentially reset. They kept the weight off and could eat normally again. Most fascinating with these cases is that they didn't develop large folds of loose skin either. They basically just shrank.

Another case study with the same result dealt with a young man that fasted for a full year with only salts and some multivitamins. Granted he was closely monitored by the medical community as well with lots of blood work. Same result. He stabilized at 195 pounds and could eat normally again. Again, no loose skin issues requiring surgery either.

I am unaware of either phenomena happening in women though.
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Re: What kind of diet are you following?

Postby klonk on Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:54 am

The science is in a confusing stage, isn't it!? We see a cluster of problems involving the carbs-insulin-fat axis, possible implication of the gut biome, and theories ranging from perfectly simple to some head-scratchers.

I think the reason I never felt quite right on keto was that I wasn't getting enough total calories to feel chipper, but I was eating to satiety.
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Re: What kind of diet are you following?

Postby Peacedog on Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:56 am

Actually, I find it to be at an exciting stage. Thanks to improvements in diagnostic technology we may have real answers to this problem within the next 20-30 years. As we get a better grasp on what is happening via the bacteria living in everyone's digestive tract, its interaction with DNA and the endocrine system actual treatment protocols can be figured out.

I do believe that obesity in the first world will become a rarity around that time. I also think this will have major impacts upon autoimmune disease in addition to the obvious chronic and longevity related issues.
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