how about this ?

[Trick]

did the chinese except for spagetti and ravioli also import taoism from the italians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notitia_D ... Depictions

[edededed]

Wow! Must have been designed by the Italian proto-Daoist, Gian san Fiona.

No wonder Little Italy was right next to Chinatown in NYC...

Nowadays, China and Italy should do a special yin-yang pizza together!

[Trick]

pizza is still kids stuff here in china. give it a century or so it will have become an local dish(with claim to be the country of origin) they do sell a half/half(seafood/meat) pizza at the pizzahut i visited last week, so the taiji pizza is on the way ...

[GrahamB]

"The Yin Yang Symbol is called Tai Chi Diagram in China. This is because the Tai Chi philosophy is widely spread by I-Ching and Taoism. Who Drew the first Ying Yang Symbol? We often heard the credit goes to Fu-Xi, the investor of I-Ching, or Laozi, the founder of Taoism. Actually, there is no answer for who drew the first Tai Chi diagram. The earliest evidence of Tai Chi diagram can be seen in the Chinese museum. The Ying Yang Symbols display on the unearthed potteries, which were made around 2600 B.C."



https://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/YinYang.htm

[Steve James]

The diagram is a representation of a particular (non-Cartesian) way of looking at the world/universe. But, how do they know that the potteries c. 2600 BCE were used to represent the yin yang principle? Could it have been part of a oral, pre-literary culture that used it to represent a principle, or just a popular design?

[Peacedog]

Anyone interested in early human development really needs to read Star.Ships by Gordon.

Human history is far older than most realize. Unfortunately archaeology and early human history research is completely corrupted by cultural Marxists and the materialist hangers on.

Much of this kind of thing is easily understood when the background for these materials is clearly laid out.

Gordon’s book is heavily researched and as a Chaos magician he gets the other side of things as well.

[origami_itto]

What is a cultural Marxist?

[Trick]

"The Yin Yang Symbol is called Tai Chi Diagram in China. This is because the Tai Chi philosophy is widely spread by I-Ching and Taoism. Who Drew the first Ying Yang Symbol? We often heard the credit goes to Fu-Xi, the investor of I-Ching, or Laozi, the founder of Taoism. Actually, there is no answer for who drew the first Tai Chi diagram. The earliest evidence of Tai Chi diagram can be seen in the Chinese museum. The Ying Yang Symbols display on the unearthed potteries, which were made around 2600 B.C."



https://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/YinYang.htm

patterns in nature, the golden spiral ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_spiral the golden ratio has been known and experimented with for thousands of years in middle east, greece. maybe that is also a part of the yin yang symbol. the golden ratio of which a pentagon/gram also consist - the five elements? ......yin &yang theory can probably be found in all ancient cutures which had sun/moon god &godess deities, of which the earliest recorded might be the sumerian culture

[Bill]

I'm not surprised. After all, everyone knows it was the Italians who introduced pasta noodles to China.

[Trick]

Anyone interested in early human development really needs to read Star.Ships by Gordon.

Human history is far older than most realize. Unfortunately archaeology and early human history research is completely corrupted by cultural Marxists and the materialist hangers on.

Much of this kind of thing is easily understood when the background for these materials is clearly laid out.

Gordon’s book is heavily researched and as a Chaos magician he gets the other side of things as well.

hmm. i know of a "star ships" book written by an russian, during the marxist era(sovjet) anyway im interested in these kind of "alternative theories" books, if you could give more specific info on this gordon's star ships book ?

[Trick]

I'm not surprised. After all, everyone knows it was the Italians who introduced pasta noodles to China.

yes and ever since that the chinese have had a love for everything italian. pasta, fashion and sporty cars that are not drivable in the chinese traffic

[Steve James]

What is a cultural Marxist?

Good question. Fwiw, I think there can be a Marxist analysis of culture based on (political and economic) class struggle. However, people generally use "marxist" to mean something evil and communism. Anyway, to learn about Marxist thought concerning culture and art, read Trotsky (Art and Politics and Culture and Socialism).

It could apply to China, as in Graham's podcasts. The "marxist" approach to art basically elevates the worker. In the US, during the '30s, the interiors of public buildings were plastered/painted with images of workers.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/spdest/findadest ... 00x398.jpg

It was similar in the USSR.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t882_ZKU-OQ/ ... ator01.jpg

Mao did it.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4e/83/f7/4e83 ... osters.jpg

The Nazis did it, too.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E246BM/1930s- ... E246BM.jpg

Of course, some would argue that they're just images promoted by the upper classes to convince the working class that they are doing the right thing, and don't revolt. And, this type of art is easily transformed into war propaganda.


http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... iveter.png

[origami_itto]

What is a cultural Marxist?

Good question. Fwiw, I think there can be a Marxist analysis of culture based on (political and economic) class struggle. However, people generally use "marxist" to mean something evil and communism. Anyway, to learn about Marxist thought concerning culture and art, read Trotsky (Art and Politics and Culture and Socialism).

It could apply to China, as in Graham's podcasts. The "marxist" approach to art basically elevates the worker. In the US, during the '30s, the interiors of public buildings were plastered/painted with images of workers.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/spdest/findadest ... 00x398.jpg

It was similar in the USSR.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t882_ZKU-OQ/ ... ator01.jpg

Mao did it.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4e/83/f7/4e83 ... osters.jpg

The Nazis did it, too.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/E246BM/1930s- ... E246BM.jpg

Of course, some would argue that they're just images promoted by the upper classes to convince the working class that they are doing the right thing, and don't revolt. And, this type of art is easily transformed into war propaganda.


http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... iveter.png

Is that what you mean by cultural Marxists, peacedog?

[Michael]

In Communist China, Marco Polo Bridge builds you!

Marco Polo is back in China – again

The top theme of discussion will be the New Silk Road, or the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

Apparently Italia has two prime ministers and Salvini boycotted the signing of the memorandum with Xi Jinping by the other PM.

Italy Snubs Allies, Joins China's Belt and Road | Xi Jinping's Plan for Politics, Trade and Economy

[Peacedog]

Steve,

Basically yes. To get more technical, they are all the result of the Frankfurt School. In this context, modern archaeology is based upon two fundamentally incorrect premises and one philosophical belief:

1. Societal development over time is linear from simpler to more complex. It is very clear at this point that many cultures have existed over time reaching a Roman level of development. They are just all several hundred feet under water.
2. The development of agriculture is necessary for a civilization to form. Everything prior to agriculture is essentially tribal and hunter gatherer level development without this. When in fact you only need a reliable food source.
3. They are strict materialists. This is how you get interpretations of the pyramids as being used as burial monuments. When in reality they were designed as magical-meditative constructs for ritual magic based upon planetary and celestial systems.

What "Star.Ships" by Gordan, horrible title but great book, covers is human pre-history from about 75,000 BC to present.

You can get the Kindle in the US and the hardcopy out of the UK.

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Ships-Prehi ... 0993120091

My particular annoyance with modern archaeology is both meditative and practical. The book details all of this in exhaustive detail and is a great read in how a small collection of academic hacks can completely derail our understanding of history.