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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Steve James on Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:26 am

People often complained about characterizing something as a "hate" crime. How can you tell, and what difference does it make?

Well, when a guy goes into a bus and blows himself up, and leaves a note promoting ISL, we know the motive. If a guy goes into a synagogue and murders some people, we don't know whether they were collateral damage and he was aiming at his wife, or that he hated Jews generally. That is, unless he leaves a note saying XYZ. The same is true for a suicide. Was it a suicide or an overdose? Did he/she leave a note?

Did the Dalton shooter do so because of his political views? How would you know? Doesn't everyone have political views? The point is whether he targeted his victims because of his views --whatever they were. If he killed his transgender sister, it probably wasn't because she was a Trump supporter.

Btw, I think that mass shootings at concerts, bars, and parties should be distinguished from shootings at religious or ethnic locations and places of worship. But, as I said, there can be a personal element to a shooting anywhere, and there are people who get upset at the courts or their employer, and go on a shooting spree.
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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Michael on Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:13 am

Just a nit - but it appears that Cernovich might have been falsely proved wrong
about the pedophile thing.

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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Michael on Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:24 am

@ Ian

Basically I agree, I just think the preponderance of the info. is that he was antifa, but it is not clear if he was acting because of that; it's debatable. I have not followed up either and do not expect an investigation to reveal much since he's dead. He was a whack job. Killed his own sister and shot his best friend. Was he a whack job and antifa? Maybe the Dayton police will make a determination.

I compare this to Jeremy Christian from Portland, who was a Bernie supporter and stabbed two strangers to death on a subway. Primarily, he was a whack job and the police knew it. Is there any political ideology connection between Bernie and violence? No. Obviously, Bernie does not promote violence, but antifa does.
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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby grzegorz on Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:40 pm

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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Trick on Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:31 am

I read the other day that OK and Milk is not ok , it’s white supremacy symbolism apparently.
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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Michael on Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:04 am

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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Steve James on Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:11 am

I read the other day that OK and Milk is not ok


:) You can read a lot of things. Okay.

Afa "white supremacy," :), white supremacist organizations like nazis, kkk, etc., use lots of gang signs. The double SS, or lightning bolt, the letters HH, or numbers 88. But, those are fairly obvious, like the swastika. Yeah, I know, the "crooked cross" is found all over Asia, and 'has nothing to do with nazism'' except when a Nazi uses it. The ok sign doesn't mean someone is a white supremacist. But, white supremacists can take it or anything they want and use it as their gang sign.

It's just like crucifix. It's not the same symbol when it's burned in front of someone's house. But, because there was a reluctance to symbolically express being "pro" nazi, fascist, or white supremacist --due to 'political correctness'- there was a need for new symbols. So, they use a 'green frog.' It's safe for children.

Nobody's against the ok sign, or even giving someone the middle finger. They're against the ideas of the person using it. Frankly, where I live, people use a thumb up to mean ok.

Anyway, the first question is whether white supremacists, nazis, etc., use the sign to show support for their ideologies. That's either yes or no. If no, then paying attention to its usage is useless. Otoh, if it's true, and it is used that way, or a secret handshake. Then, tough luck for white supremacists. Personally, I wouldn't restrict it at all. I would just encourage them to explain that they're using the sign that way --like any honest thug on a video, rather than bitch about it. You think any gangsta from the west side is gonna hide his sign, or that any sel-respecting skin head would grow hair to stop people from knowing he was a skin head?

People often need to tell you that it's raining while they're pissing on you. That it only means such and such because you take it that way. They like to gaslight you. I bet at least one person here knows what the signs are supposed to mean. If it's meaningless, then my suggestion is to ok the shit out of everybody turn it into the symbol for asshole, for ex.

Anus: see just a sign.
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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Trick on Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:09 am

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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Michael on Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:12 am

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Re: Anti-Antifa

Postby Michael on Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:41 pm

A common sight since the 2016 presidential race that Trump supporters are physically attacked at Trump rallies, including last week in Minneapolis. In cities with liberal mayors, the police are ordered to be hands off, or worse yet, as in San Jose 2016, the police force Trump rally attendees to walk through a gauntlet of violent protestors. It is very rare that police intervene and they almost never arrest the attackers, who are unprovoked and know they will be ignored by the police and protected by the mainstream media.

Last week in Minneapolis, many Trump rally attendees were attacked and robbed, their MAGA hats and other pro-Trump items stolen and then burned by antifa.

From Andy Ngo via @AlphaNewsMN:

Antifa Mob Chokes & Beats Pro-Trump Man in Minneapolis

A man in a MAGA hat was singled out and beaten by an antifa mob after the Trump rally in Minneapolis on 10 Oct. 2019. Alpha News Minnesota captures moment when a man wearing a "I Stand with Ilhan Omar" shirt chokes the victim after he tries to get his stolen hat back. Other antifa people then kick and punch him. There were no arrests in this assault.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfrGE_UIfs

And another physical attack in Minneapolis. From Andy Ngo via @AlphaNewsMN:

After the Trump rally in Minneapolis on 10 Oct. 2019, his supporters were attacked by masked and unmasked antifa extremists as they were trying to leave. An unprovoked assault on a young woman was caught on camera by Alpha News Minnesota. Mayor Jacob Frey defends charging the Trump campaign over half-a-million for public safety.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5viO3shoJyw

Source: Firsthand Account: ANTIFA Attacks Minnesota Trump Supporters
https://alphanewsmn.com/firsthand-account-antifa-attacks-minnesota-trump-supporters/
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