Hong Kong Protests

[grzegorz]

Men make laws, laws don't make men.

If the people HK want some things addressed then why not have Beijing address them?

If we didn't an incompetent orange fool in the WH perhaps the international community could help the two parties come an agreement even in an internal matter. But Beijing already kicked his ass in the trade war, the world knows his word is meaningless and he's nothing more than a reality TV star.

Remember when Trumpsky blamed China for not controlling Kim? LOL! Well Trumpsky! You fell in love and kissed Kim's ass and you can't control him either.

[Ian]

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[windwalker]

and are concerned that this is under threat, and might vanish in less than a generation.
They're especially aware, as there are already case precedents of the erosion of these rights / freedoms.

nice post....


Cited in the western press " demorcy" doesn't seem reasonable considering China functions with
a very different system of governance...their view and meaning will be unique to it
and the culture still not meeting what many in the west might consider it to be or not.

Other public press non western english sites present a little more in depth view point that
mentions a lot of underling problems being rolled into the demonstrations.

Of course living there also provides a first hand view point/experience.

Thanks for sharing.

It is interesting as sometimes my students here
ethnic Chinese some having been involved in
the Tiananmen Square protests share their view points...

[windwalker]

Yeah, people keep talking about the relative economies of Shenzhen and Shanghai.

But ask yourself - why do the mainland elite keep moving their families here, buying houses here, enrolling their kids in international schools to learn traditional Chinese, with the hopes of sending them to Ivy League and Oxbridge universities? GDP isn't everything.

The elite of any county tend to do what they feel is in their best interest according to their ability to do so.
Like any elite they are often isolated from what happens to ordinary people, even to the point of being able to escape some of the problems they
cause/ caused

I also hope the situation cools down soon.

many share this thought

thanks for the info / conversation

[Ian]

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[Trick]

But if you think this is all orchestrated by the US, you underestimate a substantial proportion of HKers, who are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves.

Please keep in mind that:

-HK's education is world-class

Unlike the “mainlander” students who continues to study during schools summer break many of their HK counterparts seemingly have a School’s Out For Summer thing.
But soon autumn here and school’s in again and US plan out in vain.....

[Peacedog]

If all of Hong Kong decamped and relocated to Taiwan, now that would be funny and a way out of this mess.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-lashes-tai ... 47548.html

[Bao]

If all of Hong Kong decamped and relocated to Taiwan, now that would be funny and a way out of this mess.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-lashes-tai ... 47548.html

So... from one fake democracy to another fake democracy. Maybe not exactly what the protesters have in mind.

[grzegorz]

Speaking of conspiracies, I heard that Falun (and the) Gong are huge Trump supporters and backers online. It seems they are hoping Trump will go to war with China and save their people.

I named it the way I did so this doesn't get censored in some parts of the world.

[Bao]

Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Killing millions of people would save them? Sounds like FLG logic.

[windwalker]

New Policy
China’s cabinet-like State Council released the policy on Aug. 18, in which it set the target for building Shenzhen into an “international innovation city” by 2025, a “model for the modernization of socialism” by 2035, and a “global benchmark city with competitiveness, innovation, and influence” by 2050.

To reach these targets, Beijing plans for Shenzhen to become the center for research and development in 5G telecommunications, artificial intelligence (AI), biomedical laboratories, and more, according to the document. Specifically, authorities will set up a new state-run institute for biomedical research called the Academy of Medical Sciences.

Beijing also plans to integrate the financial markets in Shenzhen, Hong Kong, and Macau. The Chinese city will then “open up foreign currency management” and lift some barriers to foreign investment. Currently, China has strict allowances on how much Chinese and foreign companies can exchange into foreign currency, and limits the percentage of foreign ownership at joint-venture firms.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/beijing-l ... 49218.html

2025 not to far away....demonstrations are having an effect although probably not the ones intended nor widely publicized.
Instead of killing the goose laying the golden eggs,,,they'er making another one..

Time will tell if the eggs are truly golden or not...

[Bao]

Beijing needs to understand that preserving Hong Kong’s capitalist system distinct from the rest of China is in its own best interests. It entails adherence to free-market capitalism

Yes HK people wants to preserve their own system. They should obviously be allowed to do it. Which includes the longest working hours in the world and no public pension. Many work til they die. It's also their own free capitalist system that has let Mainland Chinese interests to take over parts of the HK economy. Less capitalism and more concern for their own local people and interests would do them good IMHO.

[windwalker]

Last week, amid huge protests in Hong Kong against erosion of its autonomy from the mainland, Google Translate was found to be switching “sad” to “happy” in the sentence “I am sad to see Hong Kong become part of China,” possibly as a result of deliberate manipulation by some users.

The incident triggered widespread alarm online, and prompted a letter from Senator Josh Hawley expressing concern that “given Google’s close relationship with Beijing and financial incentive to remain close to that authoritarian government […] Google may have been negligent in performing the due diligence that could have averted this mistranslation at a juncture where precision of message is so critical.”

Google has also been caught up in ongoing trade conflict between China and the U.S., particularly over its role as mobile OS provider to Huawei. It has responded by moving some production of internal and consumer hardware outside China, and also, according to a report by NPR’s Aarti Shahani on June 7, by “quietly assuming the role of Huawei emissary” to U.S. authorities:

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2019/06/g ... ent-fails/

[grzegorz]

And China continues to kick Trump's ass...

Just now.

China retaliates with tariffs on $75 billion of US goods

Choosen one?

Yeah right!

Remember when some here thought he'd get Mexico to pay for the wall?

[grzegorz]

Beijing needs to understand that preserving Hong Kong’s capitalist system distinct from the rest of China is in its own best interests. It entails adherence to free-market capitalism

Yes HK people wants to preserve their own system. They should obviously be allowed to do it. Which includes the longest working hours in the world and no public pension. Many work til they die. It's also their own free capitalist system that has let Mainland Chinese interests to take over parts of the HK economy. Less capitalism and more concern for their own local people and interests would do them good IMHO.

Yeah because the PRC has it much much better.