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Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:47 pm
by Michael
Giles wrote:
Bill wrote:I find it easy to believe he took his own life.
Here is a wealthy man, who is used to a life of luxury, knowing he is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. In prison as a child molester. He took the easy way out.


Occam's razor. Not automatically the 'right' answer, but deserves to be top of the list of possibilities.

When, where, and how do you begin to apply this Occam's razor? There are several entry points to this controversy, so where do you initiate this procedure, five seconds before he was found dead? Five days before? Five years?

It just sounds like you are arbitrarily using an extremely narrow focus on merely one of the final event within several hundred or thousand that make up a large topic that involves tens of high priority people and a large amount of data over a period of more than 30 years.

Occam's razor: if he was found dead, alone in his cell, then the most likely cause is suicide. Case closed. Forget any other factors involved. Genius.

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:01 pm
by Steve James
Ah, so Epstein was spirited away and a dead body was substituted. Damn, conspiracy theorists need to stick to one at a time.

Occam's razor implies that if there are a number of possible solutions, the simplest solution is probably correct. It doesn't imply certainty.

Occam's razor: if he was found dead, alone in his cell, then the most likely cause is suicide.


Um, yeah. It doesn't mean that he wasn't murdered. But, it doesn't mean he was abducted by the CIA, the Clintons, Trump, or aliens. It doesn't mean he wasn't killed by inmates or guards either. The fact is that we don't know yet.

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:51 pm
by Michael
Ah, so Epstein was spirited away and a dead body was substituted. Damn, conspiracy theorists need to stick to one at a time.

Politics is a joke and comedians can't do a set without multiple punch lines. Enjoy the show. ;D

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:55 pm
by Michael
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Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:58 am
by Trick
Steve James wrote:
Anyway how is it possible to hang oneself in an arrest ? As I understand there’s no bed sheets and you’re not allowed to wear belt or laced shoes ?


:) No bed sheets. Oh well, how about using a shirt, pant leg, underwear. But, how about this? Just Google "inmate hangs himself with".
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22inmate+han ... 6-1&ia=web

Not to mention the obvious that someone could give him a rope.

Are the ceilings high(unreachable) in an arrest ? I would think that there’s nowhere(high enough)tieable areas to hattach hanging materials.
(Sorry don’t want to open that link) but Inmate isnt that an prisoner in an prison, in the arrest they’re not inmates yet ?


No need to give a rope, not even an hand. Once i read about a method where with by ones own hands can strangle oneself effortlessly, it was in an article about traditional Japanese martial arts......I’ve never tried it 8-)

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:04 am
by Trick
Bao wrote:I don’t get it. He wanted to die and tried to earlier. Why would anyone else need a plan to kill him? He probably bribed one or two guards to properly do it for him.

In some morbid way I feel a kind of pleasure thinking about incredibly wealthy people screwing up their lives and reputations miserably, though I feel sorry for their victims. Hope to see more filthy rich rapists and kiddie fxckers dangle or rot in prison soon.

Stanley Kubrick planned a documentary to expose people in the entertainment industry and said that they more or less all belonged to an organized paedophile group. Some people believe he was killed due to his plans.

In such an high level arrest the guards put at work should be high level guards?…………… Kubrick was killed because he was about to expose the fake moon landings, which he was a part of in filming 8-)

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:54 am
by Steve James
The link just has reports of prisoners hanging themselves with various things, including bed sheets. So, no, they don't take be sheets from prisoners.

A prisoner is someone behind bars. He's not a convict until after a trial. Epstein was in pretrial jail, not prison. But he was still a prisoner.

Anyway, people have hung themselves from chairs and doorknobs. Height has nothing to do with it.

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:32 am
by Giles
Trick wrote: Kubrick was killed because he was about to expose the fake moon landings, which he was a part of in filming 8-)


Please, Trick, not even as a joke. Please. There's already enough truly whacko stuff going around, and someone might read this and take it seriously.

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:42 am
by Trick
Steve James wrote:

Anyway, people have hung themselves from chairs and doorknobs. Height has nothing to do with it.
Height has something to do with it. If high enough so you’re dangling there’s no way to stop it if you suddenly remember you forgot to buy milk down at the store, or forgot to close the gas on the stove....or something other important.

I like any good conspiracy theory, the more of them the better 8-)
So this fits well to that too -
Occam's razor implies that if there are a number of possible solutions, the simplest solution is probably correct. It doesn't imply certainty.

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:43 am
by Trick
Giles wrote:
Trick wrote: Kubrick was killed because he was about to expose the fake moon landings, which he was a part of in filming 8-)


Please, Trick, not even as a joke. Please. There's already enough truly whacko stuff going around, and someone might read this and take it seriously.

No not on this forum, that I can not believe 8-)

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:29 am
by Steve James
Some people get a kick out of passing along conspiracy theories. Remember Pizzagate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate ... acy_theory

Watch. They use the conspiracies to get people riled up at each other, as if they were conspirators. They call each other names, ridicule them, question their intelligence if they don't believe something they can't know. Needless to say, pushing conspiracy theories in order to create suspicion and discord is the conspiracy. Divide and conquer is as old as the hills.

Yeah, put a zillion theories out there and nobody will know what to believe. Make them up, if necessary. They will Goebbels them up.

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:25 am
by Michael
Giles wrote:
Trick wrote: Kubrick was killed because he was about to expose the fake moon landings, which he was a part of in filming 8-)


Please, Trick, not even as a joke. Please. There's already enough truly whacko stuff going around, and someone might read this and take it seriously.

Don't sweat it, G. The FBI is already on top of this serious social malady of questioning the official narrative.

FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:46 am
by Michael
The FBI is prolly gonna put me on a list of wrong thinkers for posting this, you know, since it's so whacko to ponder that powerful people might cooperate to achieve goals at the expense of others, but Jeffrey Epstein won the multi-million dollar Oklahoma powerball lottery on July 2, 2008, a day after he was incarcerated for being a pedophile.

Jeffrey Epstein won the Oklahoma Powerball lottery, July 2, 2008

https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:51 pm
by Michael
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Re: Poor Jeffrey Epstein, dangling from a rope

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:10 pm
by everything
wow just wow on the fbi seeing the conspiracy theories as a risk factor for whackos