Yeah, Steve. More than 18000 posts, one would would think you know what you're talking about all the time - like this time, when you state that people opposed to the climate alarmist kid are just jealous of the attention they're getting. Yeah, envy, that's it, eh, Steve? sheesh...
On a global level, there has been no discussion of the normal variations and abnormal fluctuations in subterranean radiant heat in mountainous regions and ocean floors. The ground is warming and higher temperatures are rising nearer to the surface of the earth. That's right. If you're hearing it here first, your info out of date. Until climate science starts to look at that phenomena, they're just talking about the weather.
Aw, well, when she showed up in Edmonton to preach to Canadians about changing our energy use habits, it smacked of total disconnect from the reality of Canada's energy demands - and of global demands, as projected by IEA assessments into 2040 (cited in the comments section in the link below).
Yeah, Steve. More than 18000 posts, one would would think you know what you're talking about all the time - like this time, when you state that people opposed to the climate alarmist kid are just jealous of the attention they're getting. Yeah, envy, that's it, eh, Steve? sheesh...
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local- ... ate-strike
People aren't taking the "easier" route by pointing to the hypocrisy of kids' use of all the modern technologies and devices, while sucking up more energy than the generation(s) before them.
That's only a very narrow slice of the equation from a Canadian perspective. To have a climate alarmist try to 'shame' the energy use of Canadians is ridiculous on its face. Their message included an admonishment that countries, including Canada:
“...need to get down to zero emissions much faster so that people in poorer parts of the world can heighten their standard of living by building some of the infrastructure we have already built – such as roads, hospitals, electricity, schools and providing clean drinking water.”
Most Northern Canadian communities have only a clinic with minimal, bare-bones staff, and people with emergency medical needs are flown to larger centers for treatment. GASP!...dirty air travel! Unless millions of Canadians are willing to undergo mass displacement/migration and settle in large, centralized urban areas, the reality of our situation is that Canada needs more hospitals, reliable roads and rail in order to mitigate and/or minimize it's 'carbon footprint'. That's a real crisis in Canada at the moment. Lack of safe drinking water is also a real crisis in many areas of Canada. Any Canadian who would deny those realities of our current situation is living in some kind of big city bubble with no appreciation of how their comfysmug life is made possible.
On a global level, there has been no discussion of the normal variations and abnormal fluctuations in subterranean radiant heat in mountainous regions and ocean floors. The ground is warming and higher temperatures are rising nearer to the surface of the earth. That's right. If you're hearing it here first, your info out of date. Until climate science starts to look at that phenomena, they're just talking about the weather.
Steve James wrote:
Do you have any bona fides...?
Am I hearing it here first because you're making it up?
Conclusion
Earth’s climate is a remarkably “noisy” system, driven by scores of oscillators, feedback mechanisms, and radiative forcings. Amidst all this noise, identifying a solitary input to the system (i.e., HGFA MAG4/6 seismic activity as a proxy for geothermal heat flux) that explains 62% of the variation in the earth’s surface temperature is a significant finding. Additionally, the 1997/1998 SIENA was a strong signal for subsequent global warming, and this type of seismic jump may provide valuable predictive information. Conversely, if seismic activity gaps downward, this may indicate the onset of a cooling period. Future research clearly needs to incorporate seismic and geothermal inputs into global climate models. The climate community should also begin to explore the impacts of geothermal flux on poorly understood feedbacks, such as Antarctic glacial retreat [40], water vapor, clouds, and the release of methyl hydrates [41].
To ameliorate the problems of rising global temperatures, legislative and taxing initiatives are currently being proposed and evaluated by governing bodies around the world. Most of these initiatives are designed to curb GHG emissions. However, this study shows that we may want to delay such actions until all of the climate system’s inputs are fully accounted for.
A new NASA study adds evidence that a geothermal heat source called a mantle plume lies deep below Antarctica's Marie Byrd Land, explaining some of the melting that creates lakes and rivers under the ice sheet. Although the heat source isn't a new or increasing threat to the West Antarctic ice sheet, it may help explain why the ice sheet collapsed rapidly in an earlier era of rapid climate change, and why it is so unstable today.
At the dawn of the man-made global warming theory, many climate scientists contended that these lakes were proof that atmospherically heated ocean water somehow seeped up under the glaciers, thereby melting their glacial bases. Even today, many climate scientists, including those at NASA, still cling to this theory even in the face of vast amounts of research that do not support this theory.
Significant research from numerous universities and organizations such as the University of Texas, Aberdeen University, and others clearly shows that the West Antarctic Rift system is very active. This activity is expressed geologically as high-rift spreading rates, presence of an active volcano (Mount Erebus), and most importantly a very high geothermal flux.
The heat rising from below Greenland’s surface has loosened the lowest levels of glaciers, easing their slide into the sea. “There is no doubt that the heat from the Earth’s interior affects the movement of the ice, and we expect that a similar heat seepage takes place below a major part of the ice cap in the northeastern corner of Greenland,” wrote Søren Rysgaard, lead author of the study published in Scientific Reports. The heat source is known as a geothermal heat flux, an ancient phenomenon found throughout the planet. In Greenland, the heat percolates from below the surface up through fjords, warming deep sea temperatures that then transfer this heat to the surrounding glaciers.
oragami_itto wrote:To share something I saw elsewhere, Jason Momoa, big muscular actor who played the new Conan the barbarian, Aquaman, and a barbarian King in game of thrones, gave a speech with much the same content shortly after Greta, but you don't hear much from the broflakes about him.
Steve James wrote:The ridicule is an expression of their repressed admiration.
Trick wrote:Steve James wrote:The ridicule is an expression of their repressed admiration.
So now we know where the Trump nonsupporters stand, ....we are all one
BruceP wrote:Steve James wrote:
Do you have any bona fides...?
Am I hearing it here first because you're making it up?
Bona fides? Making it up?
Yeah, Steve, everyone must be as dishonest as you are, right?
I have anecdotal, personal observation of it happening over the past 3 decades.
What I posted above, regards Canada's energy use was pretty much what I explained to Mckinley in WushuChick's FuRagz chatroom in '01 or '02 when he was ragging on Canada for our disproportionate per capita 'carbon footprint'. I broached the geothermal contribution to the entropic dynamics of what was. at the time, referred to as 'global warming', because I'd already seen it manifesting in certain valley networks of the Northern Rockies. So it wasn't news to me when, a few years ago, I started reading about the same things being observed and studied in other parts of the world.
https://principia-scientific.org/the-co ... warming-2/Conclusion
Earth’s climate is a remarkably “noisy” system, driven by scores of oscillators, feedback mechanisms, and radiative forcings. Amidst all this noise, identifying a solitary input to the system (i.e., HGFA MAG4/6 seismic activity as a proxy for geothermal heat flux) that explains 62% of the variation in the earth’s surface temperature is a significant finding. Additionally, the 1997/1998 SIENA was a strong signal for subsequent global warming, and this type of seismic jump may provide valuable predictive information. Conversely, if seismic activity gaps downward, this may indicate the onset of a cooling period. Future research clearly needs to incorporate seismic and geothermal inputs into global climate models. The climate community should also begin to explore the impacts of geothermal flux on poorly understood feedbacks, such as Antarctic glacial retreat [40], water vapor, clouds, and the release of methyl hydrates [41].
To ameliorate the problems of rising global temperatures, legislative and taxing initiatives are currently being proposed and evaluated by governing bodies around the world. Most of these initiatives are designed to curb GHG emissions. However, this study shows that we may want to delay such actions until all of the climate system’s inputs are fully accounted for.
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6996A new NASA study adds evidence that a geothermal heat source called a mantle plume lies deep below Antarctica's Marie Byrd Land, explaining some of the melting that creates lakes and rivers under the ice sheet. Although the heat source isn't a new or increasing threat to the West Antarctic ice sheet, it may help explain why the ice sheet collapsed rapidly in an earlier era of rapid climate change, and why it is so unstable today.
http://www.plateclimatology.com/evidenc ... -ice-melt/At the dawn of the man-made global warming theory, many climate scientists contended that these lakes were proof that atmospherically heated ocean water somehow seeped up under the glaciers, thereby melting their glacial bases. Even today, many climate scientists, including those at NASA, still cling to this theory even in the face of vast amounts of research that do not support this theory.
Significant research from numerous universities and organizations such as the University of Texas, Aberdeen University, and others clearly shows that the West Antarctic Rift system is very active. This activity is expressed geologically as high-rift spreading rates, presence of an active volcano (Mount Erebus), and most importantly a very high geothermal flux.
https://inhabitat.com/scientists-puzzle ... -glaciers/The heat rising from below Greenland’s surface has loosened the lowest levels of glaciers, easing their slide into the sea. “There is no doubt that the heat from the Earth’s interior affects the movement of the ice, and we expect that a similar heat seepage takes place below a major part of the ice cap in the northeastern corner of Greenland,” wrote Søren Rysgaard, lead author of the study published in Scientific Reports. The heat source is known as a geothermal heat flux, an ancient phenomenon found throughout the planet. In Greenland, the heat percolates from below the surface up through fjords, warming deep sea temperatures that then transfer this heat to the surrounding glaciers.
Another article regarding Rysgaard's work:
https://www.newsweek.com/puzzling-heat- ... ers-786943
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