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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Bill on Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:15 am

Here is a good look at how Climate Science manipulates the data to give a false impression of what the climate is doing.

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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:23 am

Bill wrote:Here is a good look at how Climate Science manipulates the data to give a false impression of what the climate is doing.



Not very good.

Here are 24 graphs all starting from 1750 and ending in 2015:

http://www.igbp.net/news/pressreleases/ ... 1eb42.html

And, by the way, the fella shown in the still pic of that video is a strong believer in Climate Science and has famously stated, "Denying out and out that climate change is a problem for humanity, as some cynics do, is an unethical, unacceptable position." And, yes, he means man made climate change.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Trick on Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:47 am

Hey, we’re still in the cold
Glaciologically, ice age is often used to mean a period of ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres; by this definition we are still in an ice age (because the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets still exist).
https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/ice_age.htm
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Re: A sincere hope

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Re: A sincere hope

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:33 am

Of course, one can find anything they want on the internet to support any preconceived notion they hold. This is why understanding context, nuance, and how to vet sources is important.

I don't have the time or inclination to refute every opinion piece trying to debunk Climate Science or anthropogenic effects on the Earth System.

There is plenty of good information and source material posted earlier in the thread.
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby meeks on Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:43 pm

"The power of Christ compels you!" *spank*
now with ADDED SMOOTHOSITY! ;D
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Re: A sincere hope

Postby grzegorz on Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:34 pm

Giles wrote:You know, I really do hope that people convinced that human-caused or human-exacerbated climate change is a major threat needing urgent countermeasures are basically WRONG. I also really hope that Bill and Michael and I myself and everyone else in this forum and in the world are still all around in 30 years from now (albeit quite gray and wrinkly). And I hope that those who currently believe that “climate change” is a hoax or just a big bout of mass anxiety/hysteria can then say: “Nah nah-nah! You had it all backwards, getting your panties in a twist over nothing. All those climate researchers, and all those politicians of certain persuasions and all those schoolkids and other ‘normal’ people who believed their warnings and got all upset and went out to demonstrate and made a few cute little lifestyle changes and voted a certain way – they were all deluded. Because here we are 30 years on and the world is doing fine. Global temperatures haven’t risen or aren’t rising to a point where we see that species extinction and ecosystem collapse are not only tragic in themselves but also starting to destroy human societies. Ice caps aren’t melting big time, sea levels are not rising dangerously and weather patterns are not getting much more extreme (and hence dangerous) and low-lying cities and countries are not being threatened or already becoming uninhabitable and being abandoned, or will be soon, and agriculture and basic livability are not collapsing in more vulnerable areas of the world, and countless millions are not migrating from these areas, or attempting to migrate, towards other areas of the world where things are not quite so desperate. And all the big, big suffering and struggles and upheavals and wars and dying that this would bring are not coming about, or starting to happen. And of course other shit is still happening in all areas of life because that’s how it is anyway, but this big feared climate- and ecology-drama just isn’t materialising and we can pretty confidently say that, at that level at least, things are basically quite OK. There was and is no need to get all het up. So here’s a big finger to all the whiners and snowflakes and doom-merchants back then, cos YOU WERE WRONG AND WE WERE RIGHT AND NOW YOU LOOK RIDICULOUS, SO HA-HA, **** YOU!”

Of course that would be a little painful and embarrassing, at least for me personally, and I think I still wouldn’t like many of the other opinions or personalities often encountered together with climate change scepticism/’denial’. But I really, sincerely wish that these people are going to be proved right in 30 years, and that all the scientists and Gretas and so on are going to be proved wrong. And that my young daughter and her children are going to be living in a good environment (in every sense) and can look back at this era of history and shake their heads and smile indulgently. This is not sarcasm or irony on my part. I really hope it turns out this way. I want the scientists and those basically believing them (such as myself) to be proved wrong by events in the future and I want the CC sceptics to be proved right, big time. Including Trump and his circle. If I were conventionally religious I would pray for this. But I’m not, so all I’ll do is hope.

Cue the memes, if you like. It doesn’t really matter :)


Nice writing Giles.
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