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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Michael on Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:26 pm

No, but writing the president of Turkey, "Don't be a fool!" is sort of overwhelming my ability to analyze calligraphy.

I'm not into 4D chess, but I really hope he and Erdogan made some kind of WWE good-guy-wrestler vs. bad-guy-wrestler agreement wherein the Big Bad Turks invade Syria and White Hat Trump makes this letter public.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Trick on Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:32 am

Had my signature analysed by an computer at an amusement park once. Big bold curvy signature - I’m adventurous with a trace of psychopathy. My (western) horoscope said the opposite.


Trumps predator sharp teeth signature probably tells he’s actually a good hearted lamb
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby meeks on Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:18 am


Interesting that when the US invades Syria the news reports are "Syrians and Muslims" but when Turkey does it it's "Christians and Kurds fight for their homeland"
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:23 pm

Trump's letter to Erdogan shows that he will go down as the most incompetent president in US history.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:50 pm

Also glad to see Pat Robertson woke up.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Steve James on Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:15 pm

As Meeks pointed out, it's more because Christians are among the persecuted. But, I don't really care. They're "people" and that's why anyone should be concerned. Now, abandoning allies is a separate issue.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Steve James on Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:02 pm

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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Michael on Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:15 pm

Well, it worked. Turkey and Kurds reach cease fire without the USA getting involved militarily/kinetically.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Steve James on Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:47 pm

Removing troops didn't cause a cease fire. Erdogan got part of what he wanted and has retaken Kurdish occupied territory. He has not agreed to give them back. Anyway, negotiation was possible before there was conflict, and negotiations will continue to be necessary. They're a good thing.

There are still some problems that were avoidable, and a few that are now unavoidable --like the escaped IS fighters, the refugees, and the nukes. However, if the claim is that allowing Turkey to attack was a strategy to force the Kurds to negotiate, well it worked, at little cost to the US. Maybe we should use that strategy with Nkorea and Iran. If we withdraw our troops, it will force the sides to negotiate.

The agreement “ends the violence — which is what President Trump sent us here to do,” Mr. Pence said at a news conference at the ambassador’s residence.

But Turkey’s foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, immediately countered that the agreement was not a cease-fire at all, but merely a “pause for our operation.” He added that “as a result of our president’s skillful leadership, we got what we wanted.”

He noted that the United States accepted the importance of the safe zone to protect Turkey’s legitimate security interests. “It is fully agreed that the safe zone will be under the control of the Turkish Armed Forces,” he said. “Giving a break does not mean to withdraw our forces,” he said. “We will go on being there.”
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:03 pm

Michael wrote:Well, it worked. Turkey and Kurds reach cease fire without the USA getting involved militarily/kinetically.


Hard for the US not to get involved since they gave Turkey the green light for the invasion.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Michael on Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:40 pm

No Americans were harmed in the making of this cease fire.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:43 pm

As if being an American is all that matters...

What? You quoting Team America again? Wrapping yourself up in nationalism now that you are back?

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Above all else IS is free again.

Let me guess Ukrainian nazis are the real issue, right?

Oh no! It's the treatment of Sandman, right?

How about this? Any Americans injured here as Trump did jack crap?

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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:00 pm

The US is directly responsible.

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Says is all...

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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby GrahamB on Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:54 pm

Michael wrote:Well, it worked. Turkey and Kurds reach cease fire without the USA getting involved militarily/kinetically.


Yes, get the man a Nobel peace prize! It's what's he's after. He's made that much clear on Twitter.

Shame about Kurdish politician Hevrin Khalaf. Dragged from her car by her hair until her scalp bled, jaw broken, shot dead. But you know. Fuck other people who aren't in my tribe, right? That seems to be the zeitgeist.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Michael on Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:58 pm

Fuck other people who aren't in my tribe, right? That seems to be the zeitgeist.


No, not at all. The US presence in Syria is destabilizing and creates great suffering. The same is basically true for all of our military intervention in the Middle East since 1990, and even before.

By emphasizing American casualties, or the risk thereof, there might be a political change that gets us out and ultimately leads to stability and peace. While it may seem cold-hearted that only by emphasizing costs to the US/NATO that a change can be affected, other options have been tried and, since the Vietnam War, this is just about the only thing that motivates people in the West to pressure their governments to withdraw.

Shame about Kurdish politician Hevrin Khalaf. Dragged from her car by her hair until her scalp bled, jaw broken, shot dead.

That's horrible. I don't know what to say.
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