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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Steve James on Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:10 pm

US military vehicles cross into Syria (today) to make sure IS doesn't take Syrian oil fields.
https://fox2now.com/2019/10/26/us-milit ... nto-syria/
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby windwalker on Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am

Another one bites the dust....

President Trump on Sunday shared with the American people details of the U.S. military operation that led to the death of terrorist leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in a nearly 50-minute live press conference in which he described the operation, Baghdadi’s purported last moments, and answered journalists’ questions about the raid and his strategy.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... onference/
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:03 pm

And the Intell came from the Kurds before Trump stabbed them in the back.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:24 pm

windwalker wrote:Another one bites the dust....

President Trump on Sunday shared with the American people details of the U.S. military operation that led to the death of terrorist leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in a nearly 50-minute live press conference in which he described the operation, Baghdadi’s purported last moments, and answered journalists’ questions about the raid and his strategy.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... onference/


Back on October 23, 2012 — just two weeks before President Obama’s re-election to a second term — Trump tweeted the imperative, “Stop congratulating Obama for killing Bin Laden. The Navy Seals killed Bin Laden”:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... bin-laden/
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Good point Ian.

He wants credit but denies it to any other pres.

Trump's life will end like Twilight Zone episode.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby windwalker on Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:29 pm

We THANK President Trump for his tireless efforts that stopped the brutal Turkish attack and jihadist groups on our people," Kobane was cited as saying.

"President Trump promised to maintain partnership with SDF and long-term support at various spheres."


"Various spheres" A realignment better suiting the objectives of both allies.

Seems to be working.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:36 pm

Trump is a owned, bought and paid for. He does anything for money or to try to get re-elected.

Turkey and Russia own him.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/datadesign ... c4b9e24694

Active duty have told me the same.

Cutting and running is not cool with the Navy or the Marines.

If IS is a threat as Rump would suggest then why did he pull out of Syria, backstabbing the Kurds and freeing IS prisoners?

After stating that IS was defeated?
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:02 pm

By the way what was the point is saying he died like a dog, he died like a coward?

I am sure we Yanks will pay for that.

We have an internet troll for president.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:06 pm

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:
windwalker wrote:Another one bites the dust....

President Trump on Sunday shared with the American people details of the U.S. military operation that led to the death of terrorist leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in a nearly 50-minute live press conference in which he described the operation, Baghdadi’s purported last moments, and answered journalists’ questions about the raid and his strategy.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... onference/


Back on October 23, 2012 — just two weeks before President Obama’s re-election to a second term — Trump tweeted the imperative, “Stop congratulating Obama for killing Bin Laden. The Navy Seals killed Bin Laden”:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... bin-laden/


At least we are not denial of what was done. Remember all the denial of the death of Bin Laden?
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:03 pm

I do indeed. Lots of conspiracy theorists on that side of the aisle. Like the rape gang in the basement of the pizza joint that didn't have a basement. I was just illustrating POTUS' impressive and apparently never ending hypocricy.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:31 pm

I hear that!

In some ways I can agree. My thanks goes to the Kurds, the CIA and the US special forces and not Turkey and Russia who own this whore and he thanked.

Now he's also trying to make it seem that this was bigger than the Bin Laden raid.

Here is a list of 41 lies.

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The 41 most shocking lines from Donald Trump's Baghdadi announcement

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large 

Updated 3:51 PM EDT, Sun October 27, 2019


(CNN)On Sunday morning, President Donald Trump announced that ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had died as a result of a US raid in northern Syria. And then he kept talking. And taking questions. And more questions.

I went through the transcript of Trump's remarks and pulled out the most, uh, notable lines.

View this interactive content on CNN.com

1. "He died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way."

Trump is very interested in painting a specific picture of Baghdadi for the public -- of a cowardly fake tough guy. His detailed description of how Baghdadi met his end is a direct contrast to the light-on-details presentation by President Barack Obama when announcing the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011.

2. "The thug who tried so hard to intimidate others spent his last moments in utter fear, in total panic and dread, terrified of the American forces bearing down on him."

Like I said, Trump is very interested in you knowing the gritty details -- with the primary aim of casting Baghdadi as a fearful wimp in his last moments.

3. "As you know, last month we announced that we recently killed Hamza bin Laden, the very violent son of Osama bin Laden, who was saying very bad things about people, about our country, about the world."

"Saying very bad things about people."

4. "Baghdadi has been on the run for many years, long before I took office. But at my direction, as commander-in-chief of the United States, we obliterated his caliphate 100% in March of this year."

It's not at all clear that 100% of the ISIS caliphate has been defeated -- or if that is even possible or what it would look like.

5. "Baghdadi was vicious and violent. And he died in a vicious and violent way, as a coward, running and crying."

Again, Trump is making very sure you know that the world knows that Baghdadi was no hero -- far from it.

6. "He died like a dog. He died like a coward."

So, yeah.

7. "I don't want to say how, but we had absolutely perfect -- as though you were watching a movie. It was -- that -- that in -- the technology there alone is -- is really great."

"As though you were watching a movie."

8. "Russia treated us great. They opened up. We had a fly over certain Russia areas, Russia-held areas. Russia was great."

[Vladimir Putin nods, smiles]

9. "Turkey -- we dealt with them. They knew we were going in. We flew over some territory. They were terrific. No problem. They were not problem."

Good job, Turkey. Thanks for letting us fly "over some territory!"

10. "We flew very, very low and very, very fast."

"Fast and Furious 20: Very, very low and very, very fast."

11. "They had the gunfire terminated immediately, meaning they were shot from the air ships."

Shot from the air ships, you say? Is that a technical term?

12. "And we would kill terrorist leaders but they were names I never heard of, they were names that weren't recognizable and they weren't the big names. Some good ones, some important ones, but they weren't the big names."

When killing terrorists, you always have to go for the big names. Also: Sort of weird that the President admits he didn't know the names of some of the terrorists the US has killed under his watch, no?

13. "You know, they use the internet better than almost anybody in the world, perhaps other than Donald Trump."

So, ISIS uses the Internet better than everyone except Donald Trump? OK, got it! Totally normal stuff here!

14. "And what they've done with the internet through recruiting and everything -- and that's why he died like a dog, he died like a coward. He was whimpering, screaming and crying."

These sentences are not edited at all. This is exactly what Trump said and in this order. Why did he switch from talking about the Internet to talking about, again, how Baghdadi died? (It was like a dog and a coward, FYI.) I have no idea.

15. "He didn't die a hero. He died a coward: crying, whimpering, screaming and bringing three kids with him to die."

OK, got it.

16. "I've been looking for him for three years. I've been looking for him."

"I've."

17. "We were going to notify them last night, but we decided not to do that because Washington leaks like I've never seen before."

This is big news. Usually in major operations like this one, the administration would alert top congressional leaders of both parties. Trump chose not to do that. "The House must be briefed on this raid, which the Russians but not top Congressional Leadership were notified of in advance, and on the Administration's overall strategy in the region," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (California) said in a statement.

18. "This is the biggest one perhaps that we've ever captured, because this is the one that built ISIS and beyond, and was looking to rebuild it again."

Even when it comes to capturing or killing terrorists, Trump has to be the biggest and the best. "The biggest one perhaps that we've ever captured."

19. "That was to notify you guys that you have something big this morning, so you wouldn't be out playing golf or tennis or otherwise being indisposed."

This is Trump's defense of his "Something very big has just happened!" tweet at 9:23 p.m., Eastern time on Saturday night. Worth noting: Trump plays golf at least once virtually every weekend.

20. "The Kurds have worked along incredibly with us, but, in all fairness, it was much easier dealing with the Kurds after they went through three days of fighting, because that was a brutal three days."

You mean when Turkey invaded northern Syria and started slaughtering Kurds? Yeah, that seems like it was a "brutal three days." For sure.

21. "Now, Russia likes us being there for two reasons, because we kill ISIS. We kill terrorists. And they're very close to Russia."

In summary: Russia likes us because they hate ISIS. And we kill terrorists. Any questions?

22. "Now, maybe they can get here, but we have done very well with homeland security and the ban, which, by the way, is approved by the United States Supreme Court, as you know."

Wait, so we are talking about the Muslim travel ban now? Why? How?

23. "But it's many thousands of miles away, whereas Russia is right there. Turkey is right there. Syria is there. They're all right there."

So, the United States is geographically further from Syria and Turkey than Russia? [Consults map] Yeah, this checks out.

24. "Excuse me. Iran is right there. Iraq is right there. They all hate ISIS."

Are we doing the thing where we name countries? Lichtenstein! San Marino!

25. "The European nations have been a tremendous disappointment, because I personally called, but my people called a lot, take your ISIS fighters. And they didn't want them."

Just a reminder: This is still Trump's "statement" on the death of Baghdadi. In case you forgot.

26. "They can't walk to our country. We have lots of water in between our country and them."

"This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water." -- Donald Trump, on Puerto Rico

27. "If you read about the history of Donald Trump, I was a civilian. I had absolutely nothing to do with going into Iraq and I was totally against it."

First off, great third-person here by Trump. Second, he was not "totally against" the war in Iraq.

28. "Our K9, as they call -- I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog -- was injured and brought back, but we had no soldier injured."

A "dog," you say? Can't say I'm familiar with the word.

29. "By the time those things went off, they had a beautiful big hole and they ran in and they got everybody by surprise."

The US troops blew a "beautiful big hole" in the area where Baghdadi was staying. And yes,Trump uses the word "beautiful" to describe all sorts of odd things.

30. "And as I said, they brought body parts back with them, et cetera, et cetera. There wasn't much left. The vest blew up, but there are still substantial pieces that they brought back."

Whole lotta detail here.

31. "Osama bin Laden was very big, but Osama bin Laden became big with the World Trade Center. This is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again."

Again, Trump's obsession with being the biggest and the best is on full display here. People might think bin Laden was the biggest but it was actually Baghdadi!

32. "When we use our intelligence correctly, what we can do is incredible. When we waste our time with intelligence that hurts our country, because we had poor leadership at the top, that's not good."

In which the President takes a(nother) shot at the intelligence community during a statement on the death of an ISIS terrorist.

33. "And it's really a deserving name, intelligence. I have dealt with some people that aren't very intelligent having to do with intel. But this is the top people."

No words.

34. "There's a lot of Syrian people with lots of guns."

Uh, OK. So, uh, well, OK.

35. "But he was screaming, crying and whimpering. And he was scared out of his mind."

Again, for the people in the back.

36. "And then I also wanted Hamza bin Laden, because he's a young man, around 30, looks just like his father, tall, very handsome, and he was talking bad things just like his father."

On the one hand: Tall and handsome. On the other: Saying bad things.

37. "I wrote a book. A really very successful book. And in that book, about a year before the World Trade Center was blown up, I said there's somebody named Osama bin Laden, you better kill him or take him out, something to that effect, he's big trouble."

It will stun you to learn this is not, in fact, entirely true.

38. "And I'm writing a book. I think I wrote 12 books, all did very well."

... Said the President of the United States in a press conference announcing the death of an ISIS leader.

39. "And I'm saying to people, take out Osama bin Laden, that nobody ever heard of."

Trump's claim that no one had ever heard of bin Laden before September 11, 2001 is simply false.

. "We had nobody even hurt. That's why the dog was so great."

Big dog energy.

41. "He was an animal. And he was a gutless animal."

This feels like as good a place as any to end.


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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby grzegorz on Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:10 pm

Interesting to see the Russians are denying Trump's claims.
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby windwalker on Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:13 pm

Diane Foley, whose son James was beheaded at the behest of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, released a statement Sunday saying she is "grateful" to President Trump and the "brave troops" who carried out the raid against him.


The president said he would call the families of James Foley and Kayla Mueller, both of whom were killed after being held captive by ISIS. Mueller was kidnapped in 2013 while serving as an aid worker and was reportedly forced to have sex with al-Baghdadi before she was crushed by debris in an airstrike.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/al-baghda ... iddle-east

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When Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi took the reins of the Islamic State of Iraq in 2010, few had heard of the organization or its new leader, then an austere religious scholar with wire-frame glasses and no known aptitude for fighting and killing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ob ... story.html


"austere religious scholar" :-\ some may feel he was.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Iraqi who rose from obscurity to declare himself "caliph" of all Muslims as the leader of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, or ISIS) armed group, has been killed in a US raid, the US president announced on Sunday.

Donald Trump claimed that al-Baghdadi, 48, killed himself by detonating a suicide vest during the raid in northwest Syria's Idlib.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/ ... 54546.html

will be interesting to see who takes over
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Re: TrumpThrows Kurds Under the Bus After They Take on IS

Postby Peacedog on Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:37 pm

The Arab Sunnis in the Syria/Turkey/Western Iraq area have been a problem for quite some time.

The Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) was the big deal in '05-06. Prior to that the same bunch of clowns was blowing up and attacking our UN facilities in '03-04.

The Arab Sunnis are the main reason why Syria can never be democratic. They, prior to the current conflict, made up about 60% of the Syrian population. They were equally clear then that given the opportunity they would slaughter every ethic minority in the country.

No one wants to talk about how ISIS, Al Qaeda, ISI, whatever rando terror organization you want to talk about in the region would simply not exist were it not for this specific population's support.

Countries don't suck because of the weather, they suck because of the people.

Since no one is making any real effort to reform this culture, the only viable solution is to box the place up, stop financial/technological transfers, don't allow anyone to leave and shoot anyone who makes trouble.

It's been a troublesome region for the rest of the world at least as far back as the Roman period and probably before then.

I was dealing with these asshats in the mid-late 90's as far away as Latin America. Even then it boggled my mind that any government would give these clowns free movement into their country.

All of this is just the flavor of the day.
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