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Swiss machines 'used to spy on governments for decades'

Postby meeks on Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:10 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51467536

What if the latest round of 'Huawei should be banned because it has Chinese spying built in' is really a smoke screen for 'we cannot get Huawei to use our crypto library so we don't want them used because we won't be able to spy on our own citizens' ...?
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Re: Swiss machines 'used to spy on governments for decades'

Postby everything on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:00 pm

Similar story on the radio this morning. This is why some of the encryption technology is open source. Anyone can review how the technology works and look for problems. Various law enforcement bodies have been complaining about encryption and that there should be holes for the government to catch the bad guys. The argument against that is that if there are known holes by design, the "bad guys" can also hack their way into the encryption.
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Re: Swiss machines 'used to spy on governments for decades'

Postby meeks on Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:20 pm

I would have thought that people would be more concerned with the fact their rights are being violated 24/7 under the excuse of "we were looking for Bin Laden in America"
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Postby everything on Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:41 pm

every day has so much shit like kids in cages and dumb "presidential" tweets, people don't know where to start to be outraged, I think. go home, watch netflix, read stupid posts on rsf and reddit, get some sleep.
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Re: Swiss machines 'used to spy on governments for decades'

Postby meeks on Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:21 am

you're telling me to go home and get some sleep? Whatever happened to positive discord? :D

I just think it's odd that North Americans are up in arms saying "we can't buy Huawei because it's spying on us" (like any of us will ever go to China in the first place) and when we find out our own top brass has been doing it all along to us (with the potential to use it against us) it's "go home and watch netflix".. soon you won't care.

When I read people's responses in support of "we need to listen to everyone's phone calls, chats, and emails in case there's a terrorist out there" is like saying "we're going to put a video camera in everyone's bedroom in case there's a rapist outside".
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Re: Swiss machines 'used to spy on governments for decades'

Postby windwalker on Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:43 am

everything wrote:Similar story on the radio this morning. This is why some of the encryption technology is open source. Anyone can review how the technology works and look for problems. Various law enforcement bodies have been complaining about encryption and that there should be holes for the government to catch the bad guys. The argument against that is that if there are known holes by design, the "bad guys" can also hack their way into the encryption.


you may misunderstand about "holes" in the design.
Not so much about bad guys hacking into, more about bad guys
having secure technology for their use....In what are called "free" societies the safety of the society
is weighed against its freedom.


The encryption battles of the early 1990s focused primarily on two issues: restrictions on the export of encryption technologies and the National Security Agency’s (NSA) attempts to introduce a chipset called the Clipper chip to network technology
The first was the result of Cold War era laws designed to control the diffusion of sensitive technologies, including encryption software. This became an issue in the early 1990s when encryption software became commonplace in web browsers. In 1996, President Clinton signed an executive order that loosened restrictions after technology companies claimed that the export controls on encrypted products hurt their sales.


The FBI’s demands for backdoor access and the recent bill drafted by Senators Diane Feinstein and Richard Burr attempt to accomplish the same goal as the Clipper chip and the Bullrun program. Rather than gaining access through technical means, however, the government is now using legal means. Manufacturers have responded in the same way as the export battle: selling a product with compromised encryption standards would reduce their ability to compete in the international market.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/techtank ... on-policy/

With whats called 5g it's even more important to be able to trust the companies that make the tech.

Over the yrs the US has lost a lot of its capability to make and develop its own chips...even for military.
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Re: Swiss machines 'used to spy on governments for decades'

Postby everything on Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:54 am

meeks wrote:you're telling me to go home and get some sleep? Whatever happened to positive discord? :D



LOL no I'm explaining why people are apathetic or overwhelmed. we work, read so much shit, waste time on the internet, then go to sleep, and repeat.
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Re: Swiss machines 'used to spy on governments for decades'

Postby vadaga on Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:29 am

Bruce Schneier had a recent write up of this in his news article and pointed to this article from 1995 https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1995-12-10-1995344001-story.html
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