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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:32 pm

The homeless can live where they want and are not required to wear a mask.

If your dog shits on the street and you don't clean it up you can be fined.
If you'er homeless and shit on the street nothing happens..

Are they not concerned with public safety?
Should they be?


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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:35 pm

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Aw, c'mon, Windwalker. Throwing the ad hominem again that someone in favor of stricter regulation of mask-wearing for current anti-pandemic purposes is a 'communist'. I don't see how that makes sense.


Kinda depends if one views it within the larger context...
That would be using the virus as an excuse to exercise mandates "laws"
that in other situations go against basic freedoms granted in the bill of rights.

Each state in the US operates independently within the frame work of a federalist society
allowing a much greater latitude of freedom to be exercised, expressed, in the US that might be confusing
to most from other countries.

The steps other countries took as a unit allowed / allows them to do things that would tend to be against basic
ideas of freedoms here. .Notice the idea of contact tracing using some type of phone app, didn't go over to well.

The argument that some have posted using speed limits, helmets ect are all laws
voted as a collective enforced through local elected officials representatives ie police, judicial system ect. .

Some laws are not....enforced by rule of law, many tend to be according to what ever the officials find convenient
for what ever rational they presume, the excuse of the virus allows them make "law" or take away under the guise of "public safety "
not going through the process....

The word comrade posted in jest, to make a point to those who seem to favor a government mandates over
freedom of choice under rule of law.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:58 pm

I do agree, the US for many reasons responded to the virus
in a very confused way...Unable as some countries did put aside
differences for the greater whole...



Thought the main point was to slow the spread not to "stop" the spread, understanding that it would spread regardless,
buying some time for either better protocols to be developed or a vaccine.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby LaoDan on Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:14 pm

The freedom to recklessly endanger the lives of others is not guaranteed by the bill of rights.

The states are allowed to regulate themselves for things that are not specifically delegated to the federal government.
Therefore: Who gets to decide? Those that decide are the people that have been elected, and/or appointed by those that we have elected. Why? Because they are the people that have been elected, and/or appointed by those that we have elected.

If you do not like the mandates, then you have the right to take it to the courts and have them decide.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:21 pm

people can choose to not wear seat belts or sunscreen or helmets. however, those things mainly protect that person vs. masks and social distancing are to protect everyone, especially the most vulnerable. sure people could choose not to do it, but it's a very un-wise as well as very inconsiderate choice. people (I would call them "stupid") make some weird conclusions and don't seem to follow all the logic. it's like washing hands or wearing shoes. people are "free" not to do it, but it's a better idea to do that. although only one of those is more important here.

contact tracing is more complicated. people are afraid of location tracking (although we probably have smart phones, use Google, and the big tech companies can track our locations, and almost nobody is opting out).
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Peacedog on Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:54 pm

An interesting article on the after effects of cv-19.

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For those with a TCM background they were almost completely along the gallbladder channels of both side of my head. I’ve also had a lingering damp-heat issue that only resolved with herbs.

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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:00 pm

LaoDan wrote:The freedom to recklessly endanger the lives of others is not guaranteed by the bill of rights.

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might want to let em know...what they'er doing is not guaranteed by the bill of rights,,,correct?


but it's a very un-wise as well as very inconsiderate choice. people (I would call them "stupid") make some weird conclusions and don't seem to follow all the logic.


Are they "un-wise as well as very inconsiderate choice. people (I would call them "stupid") ?
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:05 pm

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Chicago Pride March Draws Thousands Despite Mayor’s Coronavirus Rules

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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby LaoDan on Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:07 am

The right to protest is protected! Calling protesters “rioters” does not change that protests are protected (unless you can tarnish peaceful protesters with the pejorative term “rioters” in which case one could then claim that the gatherings are illegal since they are riots, which are not protected, instead of being protests, which are protected).

The vague mentions of “basic freedoms” and “bill of rights” and requiring “laws” and “anti-authoritarianism” etc., without identifying anything specific, is just a tactic of diversion and obfuscation in the hope that one can induce outrage in those who read the information.

Our governments are set up with certain functions and powers (which act as checks on abuses by other branches of government). Those in charge of their respective executive branches of government (federally this is the President of the USA, for states it is the governors, in cities and towns it is the mayors...) have the power of issuing executive orders. The courts are there at each level to check that the executive orders are within the powers of the executive branch (checking that they do not exceed their authority) as well as not infringing on the rights of individuals.

There have been court cases (at least in NC where I live) challenging executive orders concerning COVID-19, but in most cases (not all) they have been upheld in the courts. This means that they ARE LEGAL! Vague statements that they are not legal, just because someone disagrees with them, are just sour grapes, diversion and obfuscation. If they think that their rights are being infringed, they have a protected right to challenge the rules in a court of law! In NC these challenges have usually been decided within about one week – not too long unless the rulings are appealed to higher level courts...
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:38 am

Showing a crowd of thousands and calling them rioters when they're just marching is dishonest. Arguing that thousands of people shouldn't be gathering is reasonable. However it's just rhetorical bullshit. If the same people were protesting a lock down, the rhetoric would reverse. They'd be exercising their Constitutional rights.

Hey, I totally agree that large groups should be avoided. That's because I've always said the situation was serious. I think it's up to the individual to act responsibly for the benefit of others. The fact that a mask might work makes wearing one worthwhile. Instead, we get arguments against masks, lockdowns, social distancing, the seriousness of the virus, the need for freedom, the bad effects of being inside, the infringement of religious liberty, access to bars, etcétera. Nothing about indoor political rallies where attendees are deliberately squeezed together. Picture that.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby meeks on Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:38 am

Showing a crowd of thousands and calling them rioters when they're just marching is dishonest. Arguing that thousands of people shouldn't be gathering is reasonable. However it's just rhetorical bullshit. If the same people were protesting a lock down, the rhetoric would reverse. They'd be exercising their Constitutional rights.

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that's already happened during the pandemic. I distinctively remember one rioter (oops, they're conservatives so they're naturally called a protester) carrying a sign saying "I won't be denied a haircut"
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Peacedog on Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:46 pm

Except that cuts both ways.

Those "mostly peaceful" protesters caused over $400 million USD in damages in 20 US cities alone.

https://newsthud.com/in-first-weekend-o ... 0-million/

You have a right to protest in the US.

You do not have have a right to burn businesses to the ground, attack counter protesters and act like an a-hole.

The whole "they're just protesters" line is crap and always has been.

The mayors of the cities in question need to choose between barbarism and civilization. You either put down the mob or you are ruled by the mob. As the imbecilic mayor of Seattle was finally forced into doing today.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 354605002/

The fact that the mayors in question tacitly supported the actions of these savages is another issue that will be dealt with at the ballot box in their next election.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:15 pm

by now, we (whatever our political leanings) should be "smart" enough to realize all the advice / mandates / orders are sound and prudent. hopefully we finally collectively change our riskier behaviors and cut down on the "stupid" rhetoric that the willfully ignorant and the just ignorant don't even understand they don't understand, and businesses will bounce back in a safe manner (they are safer if we follow precautions and more likely to be able to have business rather than "reopen", everyone gets sick, they get shut down again).

of course, there are still going to be really "stupid" (and younger "invincible" / rules don't affect me) people....
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:31 pm

Yeah, mostly peaceful protesters. Anyway, there are protests every day here, but there were only businesses burned down or looted a month ago. Anyway, a civilization is defined by how well it treats its weakest members. I agree that protesters who destroy property should be arrested. After the two "riot" days, our news was flooded with the images of those who were looting. Some have been arrested, as the should.
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny ... story.html

Otoh, this guy took the opportunity to shoot some sheriffs. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art ... 323113.php
Most ex-Air-Force sargeants don't do that.

There've also been some terrorist attacks against officers, too. I say treat 'em all the same. Like I said, right now there are no looting by protesters anywhere near me. I'm not going to Google to find out if it's happening somewhere in the country or outside.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:37 pm

Here's a report from some Texas towns about protests. My point is that there are no reports of looting by protesters. Again, if the complaint is about a lack of social distancing, etc., fine. However, a protester is not a looter.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/15 ... ty-racism/
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