new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

[wiesiek]

Heard the news yesterday, get it by personal contact, so it unofficial
Opinion professor of virusology:
Covid is well known by ours immune system (in meaning whole population), so we have kind of "tribal immunity" for it already, otherwise deaths rate could be closer to 40%, not below the 5%., btw
He
WAS
Government advisor...
go figure

[wiesiek]

And hot news from the front :
Covid has specific amino acid sequence which is able to dissolve lungs tissues, meaning another amino acid sequence. In results it cost the problems with breathing.
But it is really old guy, nothing new in our world.
(from friendly U.J microbiologists )

[wiesiek]

and
today in Poland:
5000 confirmed cases
136 deaths , (7 today)

[windwalker]

In the US there are many starting to question the models used predicting the infection /hospitalization rate.
The CDC has loosened the standards by which deaths may be attributed to the virus as part of the causal agent.
This will tend to reflect higher numbers than what actually may be the case.

In other countries the standards are tighter which reflects a lowering of their numbers.

As more people are tested and we gain a better understanding the Lethality level should be reduced .
Not to say it can’t hurt or kill only that comparatively speaking
some other viruses have been more lethal in the recent past.

The insidious nature of the virus the incubation time,
for many people they will show no outward signs or symptoms of being infected
but are carriers of it.

Looks like some of the anti-malaria protocols have a profound affect for treatment of the virus

[Steve James]

COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance* Saturday (3/14/20)
Total cases: 1,629
Total deaths: 41
...

Total cases: *257,773 Friday (4/3)
Total deaths: *6,586 (2.4%)

Total cases: *278,568 4/4
Total deaths: *7,163

Total cases: *312,249 4/5
Total deaths: *8,503

Total cases: *337,933 4/6
Total deaths: *9,653

Total cases: *368,533 4/7
Total deaths: *11,008

Total cases: 399,979 4/8
Total deaths: 12,912


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIGhz3uwuQ

[everything]

wellllll USA is about to pass Spain and Italy to have the most deaths... ok if there are accounting differences, that explains some of it, but yikes.

[wiesiek]

In US, food is extremely cheap, -compare to rest of the industrial world and their wages.
In the same time is very shitty kind, even so called "organic" is just little beat better,
SO
butchered immune system doesn`t work properly... (my shot in the dark or not so)

[windwalker]

wellllll USA is about to pass Spain and Italy to have the most deaths... ok if there are accounting differences, that explains some of it, but yikes.

they are using a guide line that they don’t use when citing other causes of death,
for example the flu. A person could have the flu but not be listed as having died from it when other factors are the causal agent

This is not the case with the present virus, no direct evidence is needed to list it as the cause of death , despite other factors it is attributed to the death.

As mentioned many people questioning the models used,
the disparity between actual and projected numbers.

There are countries that didn’t shut down taking mitigation efforts, are held up as models to follow
Korea, Taiwan ect.

[Steve James]

Yep, the diet may be bad. The models may be wrong. It might be like the flu (just not like the 1918 variety hopefully). The numbers may be way off.

Still, the situation in the hospitals in the US and Europe now isn't what it was like during the flu season (which has highs and lows, but lasts a year). Look at any hospital in any city with many cases. The doctors and lawyers there say there's nothing like it. Anyway, there's no need to argue. If social distancing and shutting down are unnecessary or unpleasant, and people suggest that it's ok to go back to the way it was during the ordinary flu, they need to get out there. Everybody hopes that all the predictions are wrong.

In the meantime, people will die who didn't have to. Number one among those are the brave people who have to take care of the idiots. The bus drivers, train operators, emt workers, and grocery store workers who have died here should get triple pay. I tip my cashier at the supermarket because I selfishly want to make sure that she thinks working is worth the risk. They've put up big sheets of plastic to separate her from the customers. She speaks with an accent and belongs to one of the most affected groups. In contrast, they had to close down a rest home in Jersey because the workers quit.

This isn't like a flu season, even if fewer than 100k people die. But, people can believe whatever they want. Here's the US update.

COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance* Saturday (3/14/20)
Total cases: 1,629
Total deaths: 41
...

Total cases: *257,773 Friday (4/3)
Total deaths: *6,586 (2.4%)

Total cases: *278,568 4/4
Total deaths: *7,163

Total cases: *312,249 4/5
Total deaths: *8,503

Total cases: *337,933 4/6
Total deaths: *9,653

Total cases: *368,533 4/7
Total deaths: *11,008

Total cases: 399,979 4/8
Total deaths: 12,912

Total cases: 432,579 4/9
Total deaths: 14,830

The doubling rate is still every 5 days. In the US, there are cities that didn't lock down until recently. There are also cities that started early. The more that locked down early have a slower spread of cases --which blah, blah, blah allows the health care system to keep up with the demand for health care and contributes to more deaths than necessary, blah, blah, blah. With mobile morgues in the streets and parks turned into hospitals and ... blah, blah, blah.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

In the US there are many starting to question the models used predicting the infection /hospitalization rate.
The CDC has loosened the standards by which deaths may be attributed to the virus as part of the causal agent.
This will tend to reflect higher numbers than what actually may be the case.

In other countries the standards are tighter which reflects a lowering of their numbers.

As more people are tested and we gain a better understanding the Lethality level should be reduced .
Not to say it can’t hurt or kill only that comparatively speaking
some other viruses have been more lethal in the recent past.

The insidious nature of the virus the incubation time,
for many people they will show no outward signs or symptoms of being infected
but are carriers of it.

Looks like some of the anti-malaria protocols have a profound affect for treatment of the virus

This is quite the string of conservative wacko talking points here.

Indeed, models may be adjusted given the surprisingly cooperative efforts in many areas re social distancing. That is a great thing, but the people pushing the notion that "the models being wrong" meant that it was never a threat and we should just get "back to normal" and blame the more reasonable press outlets who actually listen to experts rather than rabid economists and egocentric leaders are completely off base.

The idea that pumping up the numbers is some sort of anti-Trump tactic is laughable on its face, as the depts and team he controls are reporting these numbers.

The focus on the death of Covid19 patients being attributed to Covid19 is just another attempt to downplay the dangers both present and real. A smarter question would be: how many people are dying of Covid19 and having their deaths attributed to other causes (eg: before there was testing or much knowledge about it, or people dying alone).

Mixing a bit of fact in with all your fiction doesn't really make you any less dangerous in your repetition of Diamond and Silk talking points. For example, your misstatement about antimalarials.

What's next? 5G towers?

[windwalker]

This is quite the string of conservative wacko talking points here.

Thank you comrade.

Feel free to point me to the approved talking points.
Apparently anybody with a different opinion other than those agreed-upon by the committee is using talking points.

Noted

[windwalker]

In the meantime, people will die who didn't have to.

Wow

Please let us know when people have to die.
As far as I know everybody dies.

Of course there is one person who will be celebrated this Sunday who is said to have come back from death

[Steve James]

I think it's more a way to argue that the scientists are wrong, that the media is blowing the situation out of proportion to create advertising revenue, and the left-wing is trying to destroy the economy --all out of malice for a particular politician. Yet, ain't it funny that this is a pandemic "all over the world" (pardon the Yogism). Italy, France, Spain, Scandinavia, South Africa, ... all closing down to punish someone.

Check out Mexico City --one of the biggest in the world, iinm--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck8sh04lwpk

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

This is quite the string of conservative wacko talking points here.

Thank you comrade.

Feel free to point me to the approved talking points.
Apparently anybody with a different opinion other than those agreed-upon by the committee is using talking points.

Noted

Sure, although I don't have the time to handhold through all of your fallacies. But let's take a crack at one of your parroted talking points.

Approved sources on the efficacy of antimalarials, as well as a nuanced understanding of benefits vs detriments, would include, for example, peer-reviewed scientific literature with statistically significant sample sizes. Those should be out in a month or two. They are not out right now.

Unapproved sources would include pundits of any leaning, known conspiracy sites such as Infowars, Jesse "Amazing" Peterson, or pretty much any of the other sources you regularly cite.

[windwalker]

An education is a terrible thing to waste

Sure, although I don't have the time to handhold through all of your fallacies. But let's take a crack at one of your parroted talking points

Got it

We can talk about differences of opinion or you can tell us about your education sup to you.

I hear student loans are a bitch.