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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:19 pm

The big hospital downtown has gone from five ICUs full of Coivd patients to one and the state is vacillating between steady and slight increases. People are definitely much more lax ('Rona fatigue) about mitigation, though. So I imagine we will have a spike. I don't understand why the state or at least the city didn't make masks mandatory. It's costing lives and money.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Giles on Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:02 am

grzegorz wrote:Covid hit my center this week. So more people are masking up which is good but they should have been doing that already. Sad that people need to see it to believe it. I unfortunately meet a lot of "non-believers." Funny how they react when I tell that we have it at work. All of a sudden these "it's just a flu" non-mask wearing people get nervous just talking to me.


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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby LaoDan on Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:26 am

windwalker wrote:It’s a virus, sooner or later everyone will have come in contact with it.
Let’s hope in the name of being “safe “ basic freedoms are not lost in the process.

I am not certain what “basic freedoms” you are referring to. It sounds like you are saying that since “sooner or later everyone will have come in contact with it [the virus]” we should not try to protect others by taking precautions (basic freedoms being lost) to reduce the spread of the virus??

Freedoms...
If you do not want to wash your hands after going to the toilet, then do not work in a restaurant.
If you do not want to wash your hands when interacting with patients in a hospital, then do not work as a doctor or a nurse.
If you do not want to wear a mask (or gown...) to protect patients, then do not enter the surgery facility.
If you do not want to wear shoes or a shirt – then don’t go to a restaurant.
If you do not want to wear cloths – then go naked where it is allowed.
If you want to drink alcohol – then don’t drive under the influence (at whatever level is mandated).
If you do not want to wear seatbelts – then don’t travel by car or other personal vehicle.
If you do not want to wear a helmet when riding on a motorcycle, then only ride on private property.
...
Or... is there no need to protect others from pollution because it infringes on one’s freedom to pollute/profit, and everyone will come in contact with pollution anyway, so...

[You would need to clarify your position before I can take you seriously.]

If you do not want to wear a mask to protect against the spread of the disease – then STAY HOME. A person has NO RIGHT (“freedom”) to endanger/harm others by their reckless disregard for safety.

Death statistics show that coronavirus fatalities can be mitigated (in the USA and in other countries) if precautions are taken. In many locations in the USA a disregard for basic precautions (shown to be significantly effective in various locations where precautions like mask wearing is mandated and followed) are now resulting in increases in exposures, cases and hospitalizations; and likely deaths in the near future.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:46 am

If you do not want to wear a mask to protect against the spread of the disease – then STAY HOME. A person has NO RIGHT (“freedom”) to endanger/harm others by their reckless disregard for safety.


How about make it a law, Not a mandate made by one person.
Why not let people make informed decisions, allowing them to make the right choice
according to their requirements.

No problem following “laws”
You do understand how laws are made don’t you.

Why are homeless allowed to shit on the streets and drop their dirty needles.
Are they not endangering everyone else’s safety?

What’s next item that’s not a law, in name of safety
You want enacted, comrade. They can do it.
In CA some places are starting to wake up.
They will not follow a mandate from the governor. He cannot enforce something that is not a law.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:08 am

A law seems like a good idea to me as well. I think the idea with the mandates is they are really temporary (we all hope) and maybe much faster to put into effect than laws, and faster to adjust/remove. But if some people need a law to comply with good public safety things like seat belts, helmets, etc., seems like a good idea, still. Some people will still break the law, which happens with any laws or rules or mandates, but maybe it will help get a majority to follow.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:09 pm

Why not let people make informed decisions, allowing them to make the right choice
according to their requirements.


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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Peacedog on Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:11 pm

Another article indicating the general lockdowns were a mistake.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... ke-n586155
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Giles on Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:22 pm

Not being familiar with the USA, I don't know how much time is needed to get a law into force at the state (or local?) level, but I imagine the process from start to finish might be weeks or even months. (Maybe someone could illuminate me). If this is indeed so, then by the time you have a watertight law in place saying, more or less "People who enter shops or public buildings or use public transport, or alternatively who are in public space, are required to cover mouth and nose in order to prevent transmission of infection; this for the duraction of a designated pandemic", then by that time it's probably way too late. Infections have gone exponential, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. So a mandate, if this is based on sound legal protocols, would seem the better solution.


windwalker wrote:Why not let people make informed decisions, allowing them to make the right choice
according to their requirements.


Because, as Dan points out, this is a case of collective or trans-societal health, of collective safety. It's not like whether you choose to use sunscreen, and possibly increase your risk of skin cancer, or not. It's more like: 'I have considered the various aspects of speed limits in residential areas and have decided, on the basis of my personal preferences, requirements and freedoms, that from now on I will drive through residential areas at the speed that suits me. I'm a good driver, have excellent reactions, have never been involved in an accident and sometimes I'm in a big hurry.'
And as regards seatbelts, not wearing one probably involves less risk to others, and to society as a whole, than not wearing a face covering in the specified circumstances during this pandemic. And seatbelt wearing is mandatory.


What’s next item that’s not a law, in name of safety
You want enacted, comrade.


Aw, c'mon, Windwalker. Throwing the ad hominem again that someone in favor of stricter regulation of mask-wearing for current anti-pandemic purposes is a 'communist'. I don't see how that makes sense.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Giles on Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:23 pm

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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:49 pm

It doesn't seem that the lockdowns were a mistake here. But, right, there should be a law; but, if there is, it's an offense to freedom.
It's also obvious that some states are going back into lockdowns. The governors of those states are mandating it.

However, those who argue against wearing masks and/or locking down probably didn't do either anyway. It comes down to individual choice, yes. But, it's not theoretical; it's either someone does or doesn't.

There are loads of complaints, but few solutions to the question what we should do going forward.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Peacedog on Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:50 pm

An article indicating CV-19 might be far less fatal than currently thought.

https://reason.com/2020/06/28/cdc-antib ... own-cases/
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:06 pm

Well, the fatality rate is only a fraction of the hospitalization rate. If the ending mortality rate is 1/2 of 1% (of 300 million), it's a lot of people.

A million fatalities would only be 1/333 of the population.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:04 pm

everything wrote:A law seems like a good idea to me as well. I think the idea with the mandates is they are really temporary (we all hope) and maybe much faster to put into effect than laws, and faster to adjust/remove. But if some people need a law to comply with good public safety things like seat belts, helmets, etc., seems like a good idea, still. Some people will still break the law, which happens with any laws or rules or mandates, but maybe it will help get a majority to follow.



Approximately 862,320 abortions were performed in 2017, down 7% from 926,190 in 2014.


you and some others like numbers...can we say 862320 lost their lives ?
are you concerned, should you be?

Because it’s s legal it’s ok, there is no need for concern ?

Some say because of the virus it will be less this year,,,,a good thing no?

Some stores are shut down,,,family's unable to feed themselves because their places of work are shut down..
Who gets to decide which stores are shut down while others are not,,,why?


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no one commented on the gay pride parade, do they need a law to comply?
are they breaking the "mandate" are they not concerned with others safety?


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The homeless can live where they want and are not required to wear a mask.

If your dog shits on the street and you don't clean it up you can be fined.
If you'er homeless and shit on the street nothing happens..

Are they not concerned with public safety?
Should they be?
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:16 pm

Jacksonville to order mask-wearing ahead of GOP convention
By Marc Caputo 4 hrs ago

Jacksonville to order mask-wearing ahead of GOP convention

Jacksonville, where the Republican National Convention is slated to be held in August, is planning to institute a city-wide mask order to stem the spread of coronavirus, city hall sources tell POLITICO.


Good idea or not? Should people comply?
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby roger hao on Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:29 pm

How about this -

Maybe they could never get some of these BS restrictions passed as law.
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