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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:55 am

If an outside observer were asked which country has handled the coronavirus better, would it be the USA or the PRC?
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:45 am

The COVID-19 outbreak was moving into Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Kansas and Nebraska “because of vacations and other reasons of travel,” Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus task force, told Fox News in an interview.

Ohio’s health department said the state had seen its highest single-day increase in infections since the pandemic started in January, which Governor Mike DeWine, a Republican, told a news conference was “certainly not good news.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN24V2D8

Imo, unless the whole country does the same mitigation strategy at reasonably the same time, the virus will just cycle around in the population for years. And, there will still be new strains of flu coming along soon. (It happens every year).

No national strategy, no national solution. The prez was the only person able to get the deniers --and anti-vaxxers-- to comply; instead, he was/is their inspiration. Unfortunately, people have died because of that. Many would have died anyway, but at least we'd have a unified fight. As it is, people from states that ignore or have ignored the warnings will flee or go to vacation in places where the virus isn't as bad.

It's happening somewhat in the Northeast. Cases in NJ are rising slightly, but NY cases have continued to decrease. I say, now is the time to be even more careful. Though, the good thing is that if you get sick here, you will find a hospital with experienced staff to be treated. That's the goal of the "slow the spread" strategy. It just gives hospitals the chance to keep up with the inflow of patients. Once the hospitals get full, the situation is out of control.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby wiesiek on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:13 am

..."Mitigation strategies such as being outdoors, social distancing, and masks make some difference..."

well, ok
such "rules" will works for any phatogene which "jumps on us from outside".
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby wiesiek on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:18 am

Truth is,
that with so big coverage - we ALL have to go thru Covid',
sooner or later
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:05 am

The San Francisco Bay Area is experiencing a spike in coronavirus cases despite doing everything “by the book,” according to the policies that experts say they would like to impose nationwide.



Based on the data, there seems to be no relationship between lockdowns and lives saved. That’s remarkable, given that we know for sure that lockdowns have destroyed economies the world over.


https://www.aier.org/article/the-virus- ... -policies/
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby meeks on Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:20 am

wiesiek wrote:Truth is,
that with so big coverage - we ALL have to go thru Covid',
sooner or later

this ignores the fact that new data is showing that after 3 or 4 months post-covid infection the antibodies are too low to prevent a 2nd infection, meaning no 'herd immunity' and no "well I went through it already so I don't have to worry about it anymore" - it means you'll just keep getting re-infected. So saying "we ALL have to go though Covid" is ineffective.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby roger hao on Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:52 am

Same goes for vaccination.

For economic political reasons immune system health
and therapeutics have been downplayed to set the stage for
vaccine. It appears these need to be the focus.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:20 am

Re-opening hasn't saved anyone, has it? Oh well, here comes 200K.

Afa health, or immune health, who is responsible for that? Who should people listen to? Is there any reason to care what a politician says about a medical issue, especially if the majority of medical experts don't agree with him?

Yeah, economics and politics don't lend to solving health issues. But, hey, capitalism is the American way. You can't blame anyone for making a buck., Of course, politics and economics are why states reopened in June. Anyway, my guess is that there'll be re-lockdowns, unfortunately.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:40 am

Counter view, rationale to some of the viewpoints expressed .


As a body rights issue,, picture a time long long ago, before Sars Covid 2, if a perfectly healthy person was ordered to wear masks all the time, they would have challenged it as an infringement of liberty. (Social standards of the day, did impose clothing in most places, but not burkas.)
There has been no Law written by elected congress, (that I'm aware of) mandating masks even outside.
That has been entirely dictated by governors, and mayors, who have never before dictated quarrantine for the healthy.
Citizens have been deemed a threat ,by virtue of their physical existence, not by their state of health, not by their proximity to others.
The role of government as described in the DOI, and effectuated by the Constitution, is agreed to be upholding inalienable rights, not the direct protection of individuals from misfortunes, nor the guarantee of personal prosperity.
We have had imposed upon us a rule limiting our liberty, which had not been proven effective, is being imposed upon those who pose no specific threat, and is not the proper means by which the public welfare is supposed to be assured.



Rights, are supposed to be non negotiable.
We have a right to liberty, and to longevity that the gov is not to infringe upon , not a rightful duty to obey to our own detriment, the hypothetical security of everyone else.
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If a person is highly concerned for their own welfare, they should don a respirator , or, put on a mask, face shield, gown ,glasses and gloves, stay at home alone, and not touch their dog or cat, until they've taken a working vaccine for every disease they might catch.
If that person does not, then it is They themselves who are taking risks with their own disease potential.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Peacedog on Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:53 am

I think people here are getting progressively more hysterical about something they don't really understand.

The lockdowns, and subsequent effects on economic activity, were only designed to slow the spread of the disease to prevent an immediate, and very short term, overwhelming of the medical system.

That's been done.

Nothing currently available will prevent you from getting the disease, and most people here have already been exposed whether they know it or not, short of isolating yourself from the rest of humanity. And that's not financially viable for any meaningful length of time except for the independently wealthy and even then not really practical.

Treatment protocols are nascent and it's unclear which really work. Maybe some people are getting lucky, maybe they are just getting better on their own.

Most of the people in the ICUs in the US right now are there for reasons other than Covid-19. And we are seeing a crush of those due the lockdown keeping people from getting the medical care they would have normally had over the last several months.

It is simply time to get back to work. People are going to die and nothing ever implemented was going to stop that. It was merely about slowing it down a little.

Since permanent immunity is apparently off the table, which sucks, everyone here should expect to get the disease several times over the course of their lifetime barring an effective vaccine ever being fielded. And that vaccine may, or may not, happen. So the idea of the virus going away due to some mythical herd immunity developing is gone. Be smart, deal with your underlying health issues, particularly obesity if that is an issue, and get on with it.

Fortunately the mortality rate is quite low. I do think viral load plays a role, which is why I'm steering clear of a medical practice for the time being. But seeing as how few people deal with dozens of sick individuals per day outside of medicine that leaves most avenues of work open to the vast majority of humanity.

The current shutdowns are only doing more economic damage than anything at this point. Which, depending on which conspiracy theory people follow, may in fact be the point. Either way even developed economies are rapidly approaching financial insolvency. So the shutdowns are coming to an end sooner rather than later.

I think a lot of whinging on about this comes from many people in the medical community, as well as media, never having really dealt with the concept of mortality. Oh well, death comes for us all. Sometimes sooner. Sometimes later. You'd think people at a martial arts board of all places would understand this.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:04 am


Most of the people in the ICUs in the US right now are there for reasons other than Covid-19. And we are seeing a crush of those due the lockdown keeping people from getting the medical care they would have normally had over the last several months.


Along with deaths attributed to the virus when it was not the actual causative agent.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:06 am

Everyone living will die. Most would prefer to live. Being a martial artist doesn't matter, except that they should try to defend and save lives.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:14 am

Anyway, as per the thread title, where I am isn't doing badly now. Even though it was the hardest hit earlier. How is it in your neighborhood? What did you do to mitigate the problem? We had a lock down, and most people wear masks. Otherwise, the speculation about what is happening from YouTube and articles is useless.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Peacedog on Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:38 am

The area I'm in, mid-Atlantic, is doing okay. We had the obligatory shutdown, but it has gone on too long at this point. The initial crush of cases is over. At this point it's only driving people to work off the books, i.e. grey market economy, and damaging small businesses.

As a result, most people are driving long distances to places that aren't shutdown for things, like seeing an optometrist, that are still not allowed to operate where I'm at. People are getting barbers to come to their homes. Lawlessness is becoming a real issue as people are simply ignoring what government is telling them what to do. Violence in the urban area nearest to me is way up.

My guess is that if the local school district does not reopen in the fall that people will basically defund it. If teachers don't want to teach, then they won't get paid. And no one is willing to pay the going rate for Zoom based classes. Frankly, I think people as a practical matter used K-12 as much for day care as anything else. And if that is off the table, then people can't work so they'll refuse to pay for it. I think this is a national level issue at this point.

I've run across two unofficial checkpoints in very rural areas well outside where I normally live. That leads me to believe the current security issues aren't just isolated to urban areas at this point. Mass media ignores that half of the country in the US, so I have no idea if this is an issue elsewhere or not. If county sheriffs are overwhelmed/standing down/being handcuffed then it will be a free for all. Fortunately, I was going to see friends and once I explained who I was it was not an issue. A younger man looking for trouble, or who had a hard time controlling his mouth, is going to have a bad day. And I doubt the sheriff is going to go looking very hard into it.

Confidence in government, once lost, is very difficult to get back.

Telework, particularly for government employees, is more of a thing now. And that has tangibly slowed down processing times in a variety of industries. But depending upon the business model it may not be a problem long term. No one ever praises government for its quick response time and I'm not sure that would be a good idea for a lot of government functions in the first place.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:34 am

The media isn't ignoring the rural areas. In fact, I've seen specific recommendations to those areas not the think they were immune. I do recall many people saying that the virus only affected urban areas. At any rate, I agree that viral load is key. I'm not sure that has been quantified.

Good to hear your area isn't under stress now. If there was a shut down of any sort, and cases declined, it probably helped. Afa how long, I'd say the med pros should decide. The question now is how to cut losses and not cause more.

I say that hospitalizations are a better metric than deaths. It can take weeks for some patients to die. If hospitalizations are going up, don't open until they're going down.

Afa schools, if one child dies after going to class, I bet many parents will keep them home if they can. If a teacher dies, many will leave or retire. Defunding schools won't help the kids. I say making lunch and dinner free would make more sense. Punishing people economically because they won't risk their children's lives is blackmail.
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