Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby everything on Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:13 pm

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Agree. Ideally, the people would be given enough that everyone had as close to a fair shake as possible. Then the various majorities might be less fearful, ignorant, and tyrannical. Then we might have a shot at some form of cooperative democracy where people want to help each other.


this is where Squid Game becomes an interesting commentary.

are we all just playing a bunch of adult versions of squid games, with a winner takes all mentality? and we can all quit if the majority of us agree? or can we? can anyone stop the Squid Game? You can try to kill the others (the brown people or whomever you've scapegoated) since you think "they" are in your way and you want to win when in fact you're losing quite badly. You can try to team up at times. You can try to enact a cheat to win for a little while. Yet can anyone escape or stop it?????......... well, no spoilers, but ....... sure doesn't seem like it, does it
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Postby Steve James on Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:30 pm

Afa Squid Games, it's the old guy who makes the decision to stay in the game. Hmmm.
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Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:49 pm

GrahamB wrote:Found this recently:

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Not necessarily left and right - new age and fascist tendencies instead.


Yes, there is definitely something to this. The pandemic really made it obvious.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:50 pm

everything wrote:
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Agree. Ideally, the people would be given enough that everyone had as close to a fair shake as possible. Then the various majorities might be less fearful, ignorant, and tyrannical. Then we might have a shot at some form of cooperative democracy where people want to help each other.


this is where Squid Game becomes an interesting commentary.

are we all just playing a bunch of adult versions of squid games, with a winner takes all mentality? and we can all quit if the majority of us agree? or can we? can anyone stop the Squid Game? You can try to kill the others (the brown people or whomever you've scapegoated) since you think "they" are in your way and you want to win when in fact you're losing quite badly. You can try to team up at times. You can try to enact a cheat to win for a little while. Yet can anyone escape or stop it?????......... well, no spoilers, but ....... sure doesn't seem like it, does it


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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Giles on Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:36 am

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:In case you missed my post, there are many economists, historians, political scientists, and other scholars who point out that the 20th Century Communist states were not only not leftist, but that they weren't communist. They practiced state capitalism or a form of non-planned administrative command systems. I don't have a problem with anyone calling them communist states, as long as we agree on what that means. But, were they leftist? Nope. So, of course, peoples indoctrinated with far-right ideologies find it easy to take up other far-right ideologies.


Yes, you're right of course here. I was using 'communist' in the looser (or lazier ;) ) sense with regard to the 'horseshoe hypothesis'. Which indeed I wouldn't see as generally valid or 'automatic', but arguable in some cases.
Of course, that raises the question of whether a 'communist' state in the real sense could actually exist? Not yet as far as I understand and see, but maybe if and when technology and other developments enable a post-scarcity society. Let's hear it for Iain Banks' The Culture, yay!

Regarding a sensible and fair definition of 'leftist', I'll beat a circumspect retreat here. Very interesting topic, but would certainly require a new thread outside Crazy Covid Shit.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby windwalker on Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:47 pm

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