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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby windwalker on Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:20 am

LaoDan wrote:. I am not preventing you from doing so (i.e., no censorship). It is just that you never really do.



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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:41 am

windwalker wrote:
LaoDan wrote:. I am not preventing you from doing so (i.e., no censorship). It is just that you never really do.



You don’t have to.

Your and other views are in alignment with this site.
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Or are banned by the powers that be.


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Are you saying that the mods are editing or deleting your posts? Or preventing you from posting?
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby oragami_itto on Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:17 pm

A comparison of states by which candidate they went for in the last presidential election, rate of vaccination, and COVID-19 cases per 100,000.

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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby oragami_itto on Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:10 am

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-stillbirths-mississippi/#app

"Coronavirus is taking a deadly toll on pregnant people and fetuses in Mississippi. Officials announced on Wednesday that the rate of stillbirths in the state has doubled since the pandemic began last year.

Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said at a livestreamed press conference on Wednesday that while "COVID is especially dangerous and problematic for pregnant women," it can also be "deadly for the baby in the womb."

"With COVID, we've seen a doubling of the rate of fetal demise, or the death of the baby in the womb after 20 weeks," Dobbs said. "It's been a real tragedy


https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210909/more-reassuring-data-covid-vaccines-pregnancy

Sept. 9, 2021 -- Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine early in pregnancy is not associated with an increased risk for spontaneous abortion, new research suggests.

The study, published online in JAMA looked at the proportion of women who received the vaccine and had ongoing pregnancies in comparison with those who experienced a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion.

The researchers analyzed data from 105,446 unique pregnancies over seven 4-week surveillance periods between December 2020 and June 2021. Ongoing pregnancies between 6- and 19-weeks’ gestation were identified on the last day of each 4-week surveillance period (index date). Spontaneous abortions were assigned to a 4-week surveillance period on the basis their outcome date. There were 13,160 spontaneous abortions and 92,286 ongoing pregnancies.

Overall, a COVID-19 vaccine was received within 28 days prior to an index date among 8.0% of ongoing pregnancy surveillance periods vs 8.6% of spontaneous abortions.

"We're hoping that this data can inform the ongoing conversations between providers and pregnant women [about the COVID-19 vaccines]," study author Elyse O. Kharbanda, MD,
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Dmitri on Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:57 am

oragami_itto wrote:A comparison of states by which candidate they went for in the last presidential election, rate of vaccination, and COVID-19 cases per 100,000.

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Nothing new here...

Partisanship does not just affect our vote; it influences our memory, reasoning and even our perception of truth. Knowing this will not magically bring us all together, but researchers hope that continuing to understand the way partisanship influences our brain might at least allow us to counter its worst effects: the divisiveness that can tear apart the shared values required to retain a sense of national unity.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... fferences/

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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby GrahamB on Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:04 am

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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby LaoDan on Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:24 pm

windwalker wrote:
LaoDan wrote:. I am not preventing you from doing so (i.e., no censorship). It is just that you never really do.



You don’t have to.

Your and other views are in alignment with this site.
Views that are contrary, or questioning, like mine get silence for a little while if you haven’t noticed.
Or are banned by the powers that be.


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I am very independent and am not a registered Democrat. What I strongly oppose is the philosophy of saying that something is just someone’s “opinion” in order to dismiss reasoned thought (if one has differing ideas, one should be able to present reasoned counterpoints). I am strongly opposed to the misuse of scientific information, especially by claiming that it is just opinions, or that something is not “proven,” in order to dismiss evidence which an ideology does not like. Even though the weight of evidence is against a position, some feel that as long as they can find someone who opposes the major evidence, then that is good enough to dismiss that evidence. I am against appeals to fears and ignorance. I am against persuasion through social media when inaccuracies are allowed to proliferate to suit various ideologies, and claiming that the inaccuracies do not need to be checked because the source is merely entertainment rather than objective news. Etc. In the current climate of “alternative facts” and other forms of disinformation, I tend to be strongly opposed to those who promulgate this sort of garbage. This means that I am currently opposed to most of what goes for Republican politics. There used to be reasoned voices for conservative ideas, but they seem to have been drowned out in the cesspool of current Republican political voices (rather than being “cleaned up,” the “swamp” has been turned into a toxic sludge).
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby wiesiek on Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:50 am

venom from different poisonous creatures has long history in medicine already.
Some of them prevents blood from clogging ,
so
I will not trash this viper yet, Graham :)
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby GrahamB on Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:30 am

I'm getting on a plane to Brazil - first one to get bit wins!

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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby denchen on Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:33 am

GrahamB wrote:I'm getting on a plane to Brazil - first one to get bit wins!

"There must be some kind of way outta here
Said the joker to the thief
There's too much confusion
I can't get no relief"


Brazil - rather you than me, take care.

Gotta be the Hendrix version 8-)
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Giles on Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:10 pm

LaoDan wrote:...What I strongly oppose is the philosophy of saying that something is just someone’s “opinion” in order to dismiss reasoned thought (if one has differing ideas, one should be able to present reasoned counterpoints). I am strongly opposed to the misuse of scientific information, especially by claiming that it is just opinions, or that something is not “proven,” in order to dismiss evidence which an ideology does not like. Even though the weight of evidence is against a position, some feel that as long as they can find someone who opposes the major evidence, then that is good enough to dismiss that evidence... .


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The approach you describe is also what leads to demands that ‘Creationism’ (i.e. the world was created by God around 6000 years ago) should be taught alongside the Theory of Evolution in schools. With the argument that the two ‘theories’ are both credible explanations for the living world, that both are valid opinions, that there is (solid) evidence to back up both ideas and that it’s possible to ‘pick holes’ in both explanations. In a democracy, they should be given equal 'air time' and credibility.

One could do the same with regard to Flat Earthers. So yes, invite Flat Earth proponents into the schools to lecture the kids (and tell them about the NASA conspiracy, too). After all, there are a lot of folks who hold this opinion and they have the websites, the YouTube videos, the conventions and the scientific arguments ( :P ) to back them up. So to uphold the principles of free speech and fairness, and to resist the pernicious forces of censorship by the powers that be, get these folks into the schools now !!!
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby GrahamB on Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:22 pm

denchen wrote:
GrahamB wrote:I'm getting on a plane to Brazil - first one to get bit wins!

"There must be some kind of way outta here
Said the joker to the thief
There's too much confusion
I can't get no relief"


Brazil - rather you than me, take care.

Gotta be the Hendrix version 8-)


Of course. Goes without saying, but I also like the Battlestar Galactica version and the Sons of Anarchy instrumental.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby LaoDan on Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:26 pm

Giles wrote:The approach you describe is also what leads to demands that ‘Creationism’ (i.e. the world was created by God around 6000 years ago) should be taught alongside the Theory of Evolution in schools. With the argument that the two ‘theories’ are both credible explanations for the living world, that both are valid opinions, that there is (solid) evidence to back up both ideas and that it’s possible to ‘pick holes’ in both explanations. In a democracy, they should be given equal 'air time' and credibility.

One could do the same with regard to Flat Earthers. So yes, invite Flat Earth proponents into the schools to lecture the kids (and tell them about the NASA conspiracy, too). After all, there are a lot of folks who hold this opinion and they have the websites, the YouTube videos, the conventions and the scientific arguments ( :P ) to back them up. So to uphold the principles of free speech and fairness, and to resist the pernicious forces of censorship by the powers that be, get these folks into the schools now !!!

Yea, and it never ends. Sigh! When "creationism" was discredited and mocked, they just switched to "intelligent design" and increases in "school choice" allowing public funding to be diverted to religious and charter schools, and emphasizing "religious freedom"...
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby LaoDan on Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:29 pm

I am not a specialist in human psychology, but much of the Dunning-Kruger effect can be used to explain many behaviors that I see.

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Individuals on the lower end of the intelligence or experience or wisdom axis, i.e., “the peak of ‘Mt. Stupid’,” tend to act in predictable ways (some refer to as signs of stupidity/low intelligence).

https://www.psychmechanics.com/signs-of-low-intelligence/

We can look at Trump to see many of these characteristics, for example, the insistence that they are the smartest and only they can fix things; the vicious attacks (including verbal, but for many also including physical) on opponents; the evasiveness (not meaning things the way they are taken, just joking, being misunderstood…); insisting that they are never wrong, and “doubling down” whenever they are questioned; lack of empathy, and difficulty of reflection on things, and lack of open-mindedness; black and white thinking; bullying; etc.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby BruceP on Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:42 pm

LaoDan wrote:I am not a specialist in human psychology, but much of the Dunning-Kruger effect can be used to explain many behaviors that I see.

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Individuals on the lower end of the intelligence or experience or wisdom axis, i.e., “the peak of ‘Mt. Stupid’,” tend to act in predictable ways (some refer to as signs of stupidity/low intelligence).

https://www.psychmechanics.com/signs-of-low-intelligence/

We can look at Trump to see many of these characteristics, for example, the insistence that they are the smartest and only they can fix things; the vicious attacks (including verbal, but for many also including physical) on opponents; the evasiveness (not meaning things the way they are taken, just joking, being misunderstood…); insisting that they are never wrong, and “doubling down” whenever they are questioned; lack of empathy, and difficulty of reflection on things, and lack of open-mindedness; black and white thinking; bullying; etc.


oof!

Apropos that you'd post that chart and follow it with a link to dude's "16 signs..." While grinding blade today, I was actually cudding on the ideas of confidence and skill and the undertaking of a new/novel project with no prior experience or method by which the project could be commenced, and how, in my personal experience, it's actually an act of faith in oneself more than it is an abundance of confidence.


One of my nephews brought me a Canary wood board about 20 years ago and asked me to make him a fighting staff. While shaping the staff, I was amazed at how tough and dense canary wood is while exhibiting some pretty decent flexibility and harmonics/resonance. The leftover strips stood in a corner for several years before I got the notion to try making a bow with some of it. I'd built well over 100 bows before that, and have since made more than a dozen bows with canary in a few different configurations (laminated R/D. self, and laminated D-section longbows). I was unable to find any examples of canary ever being used as a bow wood before I started building with it, so I was flying blind in terms of design, draw-length, draw-weight, sectional dimensions, etc. Being that it takes me about fifty hours to make a bow, it really sucks and is heartbreaking when one fails, so there's lots of adrenaline, trepidation and belief in the unbelievable throughout the entire process. I experienced the same state while making my first bow out of padauk wood since I could find no examples of that wood being used for bows either.

Anyway, I don't know if you realize it or not, but any one fully in agreement with Parvez's list is planting their own flag of ignorance alongside his on the summit of Mt. Stupid. His particular use of stereotypes, absolutes and generalizations are the legs upon which snobs climb to the ivory heights of deluded exceptionalism.

And your commentary on trump says more about your own ethical consistency than it does his. Even though he wishes death on the hesitant, you could take a lesson from Dmitri.
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