Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

[windwalker]

As previously pointed out, HCQ can have various serious side effects, meaning that giving this drug to lots and lots of people is only justifiable, or indeed defensible, if it's so provenly efficacious as to outweigh these disadvantages. Which is not yet the case. If it is efficacious for Covid-19 (which would be great), then this may be demonstrated through clearly structured, peer-reviewed clinical trials or reviews, NOT through anecdotal evidence or gut feelings (often from dubious sources).
If HCQ were known to have no hazardous or serious side effects whatsoever, there would probably (?) be nothing wrong with lots of people taking it as a prophylaxis even without any evidence. As long as they didn't then assume that they were safe from infection and behave accordingly. Which however many probably would, putting us back to square one...
- What's not to understand here...?

studies that have been done and ongoing

69 studies (41 peer reviewed)


Global HCQ studies. PrEP, PEP, and early treatment studies show high effectiveness, while late treatment shows mixed results.

Post Exposure Prophylaxis (PEP) studies are positive. One study reports a lack of significance, but analysis shows significance, see detailed explanation. Positive/negative effects vary in nature, degree, and certainty, please read the papers or descriptions thereof for more details.

https://c19study.com

[everything]

who the fuck punches a teenage kid telling you to wear a mask at a children's theme park as part of its policy?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/sesam ... index.html

this is exactly how free-dumb we have become.

[Trick]

who the fuck punches a teenage kid telling you to wear a mask at a children's theme park as part of its policy?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/sesam ... index.html

this is exactly how free-dumb we have become.

Oscar the Grouch and Grundgetta ?

[roger hao]

As previously pointed out, Covid vaccine can have various serious side effects, meaning that giving this drug to lots and lots of people is only justifiable, or indeed defensible, if it's so provenly efficacious as to outweigh these disadvantages. Which is not yet the case. If it is efficacious for Covid-19 (which would be great), then this may be demonstrated through clearly structured, peer-reviewed clinical trials or reviews, NOT through anecdotal evidence or gut feelings (often from dubious sources).
If Covid vaccine were known to have no hazardous or serious side effects whatsoever, there would probably (?) be nothing wrong with lots of people taking it even without any evidence. As long as they didn't then assume that they were safe from infection and behave accordingly.

[windwalker]

who the fuck punches a teenage kid telling you to wear a mask at a children's theme park as part of its policy?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/sesam ... index.html

this is exactly how free-dumb we have become.

“Who the fuck” shoots a five-year-old boy

A 5-year-old North Carolina boy was allegedly shot dead by his neighbor while riding his bicycle outside his home over the weekend.

Little Cannon Hinnant was playing outside his father’s house with his two sisters, ages 7 and 8, in the city of Wilson around 5:30 p.m. Sunday when he was allegedly shot in the head by 25-year-old Darius Sessoms,

The selectivity shown by some and being outraged is strange at times

[everything]

no serious side effects in a small study of the moderna/nih vaccine research
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res ... e-response

effectiveness tested in the lab.

no idea what that will mean in real life with real humans in "front line" jobs. it seems they also don't know how long the immune response might last.

[windwalker]

As previously pointed out, Covid vaccine can have various serious side effects, meaning that giving this drug to lots and lots of people is only justifiable, or indeed defensible, if it's so provenly efficacious as to outweigh these disadvantages. Which is not yet the case. If it is efficacious for Covid-19 (which would be great), then this may be demonstrated through clearly structured, peer-reviewed clinical trials or reviews, NOT through anecdotal evidence or gut feelings (often from dubious sources).
If Covid vaccine were known to have no hazardous or serious side effects whatsoever, there would probably (?) be nothing wrong with lots of people taking it even without any evidence. As long as they didn't then assume that they were safe from infection and behave accordingly.

What vaccines would these be?

A couple of vaccines are in phase 3, human trials.
All vaccines made todate can cause problems for some people.
Going forward if so much time and resources can produce a vaccination within a years time,
kind of makes one wonder about other viruses out there.

It also begs to question the way this virus was handled, will the same measures be taken for other viruses?

IMO, The therapeutics will probably be more important than the vaccination.
Current vaccinations are only 60 to 70% effective. Given the current status of how this virus is approached I wonder if proof of vaccination will be something that one will have to provide, many people are asymptomatic,everybody is assumed to either have had It or be infected .

Or as it should be those in the high risk groups keeping themselves from being infected.

[meeks]

who the fuck punches a teenage kid telling you to wear a mask at a children's theme park as part of its policy?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/sesam ... index.html

this is exactly how free-dumb we have become.

“Who the fuck” shoots a five-year-old boy

A 5-year-old North Carolina boy was allegedly shot dead by his neighbor while riding his bicycle outside his home over the weekend.

Little Cannon Hinnant was playing outside his father’s house with his two sisters, ages 7 and 8, in the city of Wilson around 5:30 p.m. Sunday when he was allegedly shot in the head by 25-year-old Darius Sessoms,

The selectivity shown by some and being outraged is strange at times

So I'm reading this as you are pointing out that 'everything' is posting an article about a teenager having his jaw broken by a couple of anti-mask zealots and that he is choosing to ignore a 5 year old being shot. Am I interpreting your remark correctly?

[windwalker]

“ Zealots“

Man refusing to wear mask breaks arm of Target employee 00:52
(CNN)Two men who allegedly refused to wear masks inside a Target store in California are facing felony battery charges after a fight that left an employee security guard with a broken arm, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

Mmm, must be a lot of “zealots” out there

wonder who those zealots would be ?

People getting their shit and themselves fucked up by those referred to as “ peaceful protesters“
many not adhering to any mask or social distancing .

Are they “ Zealots”. Also

[windwalker]

There are no laws as far as I know regarding what is done in the name of health protection for the virus.
There are measures under the emergency power that allow governors to enact edicts
That may or may not have the force of law, they tend to be very selective about how they’re enforced which brings into question what’s called the rule of law.

As time goes by people notice and in their own ways rebel against it.

If a government cannot prevent one from having an abortion under the “law”for
those citing control over their bodies.

How can it then mandate the wearing of a mask, not a law?

[Peacedog]

This brings up a bigger issue that has been exacerbated by the Covid-19 response worldwide. That issue is over regulation

At present virtually anyone on this board could be charged with any number of felonies based off of the massive number of criminal laws that have been passed in the last several decades and completely bankrupted by the gigantic number of civil penalties that have been created in the same time period. At present the "opportunity cost" of all of this regulation is something like $2 trillion dollars per year in the US alone.

The truth is no government is capable enough to enforce all of these laws and regulations effectively and fairly. As a result, people are increasingly ignoring what governments worldwide have to say. When enforcement is politicized, as in immigration in the USA, this greatly accelerates.

Once the public loses confidence in government things get bad.

The months long rioting in Seattle is an excellent case in point. People start taking care of things on their own. BLM being chased out of Englewood in Chicago last weekend is one example. In this case, violence did not happen. If this keeps happening it will. It will probably involve firearms and it will kill a large number of these Antifa/BLM imbeciles. When it happens, the authorities will probably not investigate.

Two teenagers beat an elderly man to death at a local fair last year in my area. They asked him for money and he said, "no." When he walked away they punched him in the back of the head from behind. Complete cowards. Their sentence ended up being probation as the case was taken from the county and moved to a distant city on the grounds of fairness by the state attorney. It was an outrageous sentence and they should have been tried as adults. The next time a group of teenagers tries this it will end badly for them. And the authorities will not investigate.

The second laws stop being applied to everyone, and are selectively enforced, people become irate. Some cultures, like in Asia, tend to put up with this for longer than others. Other cultures, like in Africa, do not and widespread violence quickly occurs.

[Steve James]

Yep, when people see that the laws are not equally enforced, or are abused, people will rise up and protest.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Repeated claims of "studies" proving the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. I have yet to see any double-blind, placebo-controlled studies. The most promising have been retroactive examinations of data, which are not studies.

[meeks]

“ Zealots“

Man refusing to wear mask breaks arm of Target employee 00:52
(CNN)Two men who allegedly refused to wear masks inside a Target store in California are facing felony battery charges after a fight that left an employee security guard with a broken arm, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

Mmm, must be a lot of “zealots” out there

wonder who those zealots would be ?

People getting their shit and themselves fucked up by those referred to as “ peaceful protesters“
many not adhering to any mask or social distancing .

Are they “ Zealots”. Also

So instead of answering my question you just ran around making further claims... so you're not trying to have a logical discussion where you're able to strengthen your position with facts, but simply opine about what others are doing... thanks for the indirect clarification.

[windwalker]

So instead of answering my question you just ran around making further claims... so you're not trying to have a logical discussion where you're able to strengthen your position with facts, but simply opine about what others are doing... thanks for the indirect clarification.

are you not "opining".

So I'm reading this as you are pointing out that 'everything' is posting an article about a teenager having his jaw broken by a couple of anti-mask zealots and that he is choosing to ignore a 5 year old being shot. Am I interpreting your remark correctly?

Did he post anything about the kid getting shot by some random whats that word " zealot". ?


Is he selective about what he post ?

By posting selective articles, is he trying to make a point?

People are not allowed to respond to his points?

problem?