Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

[everything]

testing sewage could be a key early warning approach

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/europe/g ... index.html

[Bill]

That study in Lancet that disputed the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine may have serious flaws.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... here-67595


https://spectator.org/lancetgate-pullin ... loroquine/

[Steve James]

Maybe flawed, but if it worked, it would be hard to refute and easy to reproduce. It is being used, and was being used earlier --in veteran's homes. The FDA study reported that more patients in those home who took hydrochloroquine died than those who didn't.

At any rate, ideally it'd be better if people didn't catch the virus.

[Steve James]

testing sewage could be a key early warning approach

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/europe/g ... index.html

It makes sense. Let's see what the EPA has to say.

[everything]

graphic of various models predicting the trajectory of deaths in the USA.

looks (just eyeballing the chart) like some flattening of the rate of death curve - according to different forecasts - starting in late in July, possibly after hitting 150k deaths.

[Steve James]

Sweden’s top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight Covid-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

“If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,” Anders Tegnell said in an interview with Swedish Radio.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... HXo_qBGOaA

[everything]

it's good to admit you were wrong and hopefully learn from mistakes in case it happens again

[windwalker]

it's good to admit you were wrong and hopefully learn from mistakes in case it happens again

what mistake ?

what does " to many deaths" mean ?


lets see if there is a spike in 2 weeks because of the recent activities

[Trick]

Sweden’s top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight Covid-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

“If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,” Anders Tegnell said in an interview with Swedish Radio.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... HXo_qBGOaA

This guy I’m sure have to follow suit, it’s the prime minister guy that should straighten his back and admit wrongs.........

Yes there have been more deaths so far compared to other years, but seemingly not a very great number more as I read the figures(can’t bother to find the source right now) . But why more deaths this year ? Since 2015 Sweden has taken in huge amount of refugees, lots of people who yet are not integrated into the society and so have not the proper access to relevant information on ongoing situations, many of these people live 6-8 persons in small apartments. This is one probably reason, and Mr.Tegnell can not be hold responsible for.
It’s the prime minister and his government(party) that are responsible, and its them that should stand up and apologize.

[Steve James]

I thought most of the deaths in Sweden were among the elderly, not immigrants.

[Trick]

I thought most of the deaths in Sweden were among the elderly, not immigrants.

Immigrants as the locals comes in all age groups. As I wrote, immigrant families often live very cramped, big family in small apartments, and most live in “immigrant” communities .... Many elderly immigrants can’t speak the language and often can’t take part in relevant information, if that information would reach out to those communities at all.
I would guess that most people out in those communities don’t know who Mr.Tegnell is

[Steve James]

So most of those who died in Sweden weren't Swedish, but elderly immigrants in nursing homes? Do you have a link for that?

Yeah, immigrants often live in worse conditions than citizens anywhere they go. It's also likely that they have higher incidences of all diseases. Still, let's say all the victims were immigrants. They didn't bring the virus to Sweden, and it really doesn't matter in terms of the statistics. Sure, we could say, "If we don't count ____s, the numbers would be lower."

My point is that it doesn't matter who died.

[Bao]

So most of those who died in Sweden weren't Swedish, but elderly immigrants in nursing homes? Do you have a link for that?

I don't exactly know how many of the deceased are born in Sweden o have parents born in Sweden. But the virus here is focused to clusters. The most affected areas are either those with much immigrants and nursing homes.

[Steve James]

So most of those who died in Sweden weren't Swedish, but elderly immigrants in nursing homes? Do you have a link for that?

I don't exactly know how many of the deceased are born in Sweden o have parents born in Sweden. But the virus here is focused to clusters. The most affected areas are either those with much immigrants and nursing homes.

Sure. It doesn't seem unusual. But, I thought the issue was how many people in Sweden who died could have been saved if the government had reacted differently. It didn't really matter to me who the dead were. I'm just saying.

[Bao]

But, I thought the issue was how many people in Sweden who died could have been saved if the government had reacted differently. It didn't really matter to me who the dead were.

Agreed.

With the (anti-) strategy of not closing down, some of the areas could not be protected. Even if nursing homes would be protected, at least some of immigrants areas would still be the same. So the "strategy" of keeping everything open would still be devastating to some elderly groups. But nursing homes /elderly homes /hospitals could have be protected if the staff wore proper protection. They don't. Because no one took the virus seriously and no one organised anything to practically implement the strategies in the society.

In Sweden, there is no national standard, regions operate by their own and no one takes responsibility. In fact, the whole Swedish system is created so no one needs to take responsibility and everyone can blame someone else.