Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

The following typical threads that plague martial arts sites will get moved here if not just deleted: 1 - My style is better than Your style" - 2 - "Internal & External" - 3 - Personal attacks - 4 - Threads that start well, but degenerate into a spiral of nonsense.

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Giles on Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:01 am

Steve James wrote:Re: origin of covid-19. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... -RY5A2YEhI


Thanks for posting that, Steve. Very interesting, and confirms in far more detail what I wrote about the findings of the Dutch researchers. This should finally put to bed the rumours/theories about the virus being somehow engineered, deliberately released, dark forces, etc. etc. Unless of course you want to say this article is just another part of the conspiracy, but that's pretty much entering flat earth territory, and there'll always be a few incorrigibles... :P
Do not make the mistake of giving up the near in order to seek the far.
Giles
Wuji
 
Posts: 1352
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:19 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:28 am

Trump said last week he was asking the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to fast-track its testing of hydroxychloroquine and a similar drug, chloroquine, as a treatment for the coronavirus.

Giardinieri said he got in touch with an infectious disease doctor about hydroxychloroquine.

“He gave me all the reasons why I would probably not want to try it because there are no trials, there’s no testing, it was not something that was approved,” said Giardinieri.

“And I said, ‘Look, I don’t know if I’m going to make it until the morning,’ because at that point I really thought I was coming to the end because I couldn’t breathe anymore,” Giardinieri continued.


https://www.breitbart.com/local/2020/03 ... -his-life/

Interesting, hopefully it proves out.
Good example of bureaucracies that can get in the way of treatment protocols,
Although they are designed to protect the general public.
an emergency situation, the guy felt like he wouldn’t make it to morning ,
the doctors had nothing else they could do .
Last edited by windwalker on Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
windwalker
Wuji
 
Posts: 10549
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:08 am

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:22 pm

I’m not young but not old so:

- not going 90% stocks or aggressive
- not fretting now from massive plummet
- am somewhere in between. Slight fret, slight happy to buy
amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
“most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. Source of all true art & science
User avatar
everything
Wuji
 
Posts: 8262
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 7:22 pm
Location: USA

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:27 pm

Another tangent and a topic with support from all political stripes:

- Giving cash to people.
- Automation taking jobs.

For the second point, the people making robots (like Google advertising robot or Facebook advertising robot), or the people working for robots (in Amazon distribution centers) are employed.

The people in more F2F non automated roles are hard hit as the move from retail to e-commerce (for example) suddenly accelerates.

Without getting into ideology, it’s a dramatic shift toward this picture.

No questions for you but what do you think -

I mean about the economic shift, not politics or media :-D
Last edited by everything on Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
“most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. Source of all true art & science
User avatar
everything
Wuji
 
Posts: 8262
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 7:22 pm
Location: USA

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Michael on Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:39 pm

General Info: Guangzhou declared low risk for virus. People no longer required to wear masks, etc.

There was also a 3 minute audio on the page explaining details in Mandarin and Australian.

Image

Image][/url]
Michael

 

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:47 pm

The Chinese Super League teams fled to Europe

then fled back to China.
amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
“most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. Source of all true art & science
User avatar
everything
Wuji
 
Posts: 8262
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 7:22 pm
Location: USA

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Finny on Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:59 pm

One of those occasions I'm glad to live in the most isolated capital city on the planet :)

We're shutting a lot of things down - interstate travel, pubs, clubs, gyms etc, no gatherings over 100 and so on, but it's largely containment, we don't seem to have had a huge explosion of cases.

Best wishes to you all, hope it's not too rough for you.
User avatar
Finny
Great Old One
 
Posts: 1448
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 8:16 pm

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:51 pm

Really fascinating, thanks for these stories. It does seem better to go to certain places in Asia at the moment. "Medical tourism".

Did you guys see Daniel Dae Kim's instagram updates? He is almost over COVID-19. He said he used Tamiflu, that malaria drug Trump referenced (getting a lot of usage in South Korea), an inhaler, and some other medicine. Of course, as a rich celebrity, he got unfair access to medicine, but at least theoretically, it's an interesting (non scientific) case.
amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
“most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. Source of all true art & science
User avatar
everything
Wuji
 
Posts: 8262
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 7:22 pm
Location: USA

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Michael on Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:22 pm

Looks like I'm out of touch on some of the newer celebrities 'cause I don't know about Mr. Kim.

However, I did see Madonna's recent bathtub video tweets. Can barely recognize her for the botox or adrenochrome or whatever she's on, lol. Just when you thought she couldn't get any weirder, she surprises you.
Michael

 

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:52 pm

windwalker
Wuji
 
Posts: 10549
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:08 am

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:19 pm

Re: Tamiflu and anti-malarial drugs. Let's say they work. They have to be distributed. Like everything said, the well connected celebrities and the wealthy will get them first. My daughter was given Tamiflu for "the flu", but it just made the symptoms less severe. She didn't go to the hospital. Btw. was Kim hospitalized? I ask because the people who need help most are the ones who are hospitalized. That drug would be wasted on people who aren't hospitalized.

Otoh, let's say it stopped the symptoms from getting to a critical point. Should we start giving it to everyone, to everyone who's positive. Btw, NY has started legislation to prevent doctors from prescribing some of the drugs that the president mentions. Wealthy people were having their doctors prescribe them and then buying large quantities. The states need to have access to the drugs in order to distribute them. But, remember, we're still way behind when it comes to testing. In New Jersey, cars are lining up at 8am for drive through. Of course, everybody wants to go, no matter what their symptoms.

So, that means that for drugs to be effective at reducing the body count, they have to work and be available. Hopefully, that will happen. Until then, though, if the rate of infection doubles every two days from the 33K confirmed we have today, just do the math. I.e., Wednesday, there will be 60K. The drugs will only be useful insofar as there are enough of them to give to the serious cases. Better to do the same as recommended if you have the flu; stay home.
"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."
User avatar
Steve James
Great Old One
 
Posts: 21137
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 am

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Trick on Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:57 am

Giles wrote:
Trick wrote:the "virus" lab that is located in wuhan(some in the thread call it a bio weapon lab, as if they would now about that :-\ ) has for a long time worked together with foreign scientists on regular basis, mainly from africa and india. european and american virology institutes/labs/scientists has had a presence here in china at least ever since the sars outbreak including one of the foremost foreign reserch institutes on corona viruses who has a ultra modern lab located in shandong.. so foreign specialists in this field has been around here at least since the mid 2000


Before another conspiracy theory gains too much traction here... Here's an excerpt from a text I translated from Dutch back at the end of January, an interview with two virologists at Infectious Diseases and Immunology (Faculty of Veterinary Medicine), University of Utrecht (at the time when some people were claiming the virus came from snakes):

“This [new corona]virus almost certainly derives from bats and it is genetically almost identical to a virus that has previously been found in bats. But we still don’t know if this virus comes to us straight from bats or via another mammal. The story now doing the rounds that the virus comes from snakes is without foundation and isn’t backed up by the analysis of the genetic material.”
I can provide the source reference if desired.

If this was some kind of 'genetically engineered' virus, I'm pretty damn sure that these and many other independently working virologists would have picked up on any kind of strangeness, any kind of gene splicing or anomalies. Nada. So no evidence whatsoever to doubt that the virus emerged from the 'wildlife market' environments all on its little own initiative. And then was able to start spreading so effectively because the (local) Chinese authorities initially went into complete denial.

But if you're not implying that the virus might have emerged from a lab somewhere, then please excuse me for the misunderstanding. All good. :)

The foreign virology institute that specializes in corona viruses and has a lab research center located in shandong(as mentioned) has previous gone out with information about the dangers of viruses originating in bats, but their previous beliefs was that it would come out of Africa
Trick

 

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Giles on Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:33 am

Trick wrote:The foreign virology institute that specializes in corona viruses and has a lab research center located in shandong(as mentioned) has previous gone out with information about the dangers of viruses originating in bats, but their previous beliefs was that it would come out of Africa


Not quite sure I understand what you're writing. This virology institute believed (at some point) that the new coronavirus originated in Africa?
Do not make the mistake of giving up the near in order to seek the far.
Giles
Wuji
 
Posts: 1352
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:19 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby bailewen on Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:44 am

key term: "would"

I read it as meaning, before this ever happened, there was a body of research predicting a virus similar to this would eventually show up somewhere, but they had guessed Africa to be a more likely source.

So predictive, not retroactive analysis.
Click here for my Baji Leitai clip.
www.xiangwuhui.com

p.s. the name is pronounced "buy le when"
User avatar
bailewen
Great Old One
 
Posts: 4895
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 11:20 am
Location: Xi'an - China

Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Giles on Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:02 am

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks, I guess I was being a bit dense. :)
Do not make the mistake of giving up the near in order to seek the far.
Giles
Wuji
 
Posts: 1352
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:19 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

PreviousNext

Return to Been There Done That

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests