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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:30 am

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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:47 am

For those not from the US, an example of our system in action
and why it seems so dysfunctional at times.


LAS VEGAS (AP) — Nevada’s governor on Tuesday night issued an emergency order banning gatherings of more than 10 people in the state indoors or outdoors, a more aggressive move to try to stop the spread of the coronavrius.

Sisolak said the order does not apply to private homes or the homeless, but includes places like social clubs, parks, libraries and sports fields.



Sisolak signed an emergency order earlier Tuesday barring the use of anti-malaria drugs for someone who has the coronavirus. The order restricting chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine came after President Donald Trump touted the medication as a treatment and falsely stated that the Food and Drug Administration had just approved the use of chloroquine to treat patients infected with coronavirus. Sisolak said in a statement that there’s no consensus among experts or Nevada doctors that the drugs can treat people with COVID-19.


The FDA has been working closely with other government agencies and academic centers that are investigating the use of the drug chloroquine, which is already approved for treating malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, to determine whether it can be used to treat patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 to potentially reduce the duration of symptoms, as well as viral shedding, which can help prevent the spread of disease. Studies are underway to determine the efficacy in using chloroquine to treat COVID-19.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... treatments
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:05 am

Steve James wrote:There are a lot of sites where you can find the answers you seek. Do you want to look by country?
Here's one with a simple graph https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6

Here's an even simpler one with fewer pictures.
https://ncov2019.live/

Surprise! NKorea has had 0 cases.

thanks.....yes it seem the virus jumped NK, otherwise anything from nuclear development to famin seem to be reported happening in that country
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:20 am

Bao wrote:Why Sweden is going through a crazy experiment designed by a mad scientist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzr4kRxr9x8


cant see the vid.....however hasnt it bee whined about for quite some time in sweden that the eldery population is(or will be in near future)an burden for the economy ?..........so here it comes as if heavenly sent revival of the Ättestupan 8-)
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Steve James on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:26 am

The heavenly sent note is interesting. None of the televangelists are saying that this is God's punishment. They said it about the earthquake and cholera outbreaks in Haiti.

Anyway, ya'll must realize that without people there's no such thing as an "economy."
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:29 am

part of the reason Taiwan was ahead of the curve


The WHO could not obtain first-hand information to study and judge whether there was human-to-human transmission of Covid-19. This led it to announce human-to-human transmission with a delay, and an opportunity to raise the alert level both in China and the wider world was lost,” Chen, also an epidemiologist, told the publication.

Taiwan reportedly had intelligence on the virus early through doctors in Wuhan. Scientists have now traced the first known novel coronavirus case back to November 17, 2019, documented in the central Chinese metropolis of Wuhan.

A University of Toronto study found that warnings from doctors in Wuhan to others that they were facing a new contagious disease began appearing online in December, almost immediately followed by censorship and arrests.


They understood what was happening early on and acted on it.


Some of these warnings reportedly made it to Taiwan, which had built a centralized National Health Command Center (NHCC) to deal with public health crises in the aftermath of the 2003 Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) viral outbreak.

Taiwan rapidly began acting to limit travel into the country from affected areas and put emergency precautions into place. During this time, Taipei also claims to have alerted the WHO, to no avail.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:43 am

windwalker wrote:
Michael wrote:Has this been discussed much yet? Of course there is widespread speculation that the proximity of the corona outbreak to China's only level 4 bio lab suggests an accidental leak and emphasizes questions that were asked and studied since the 2003 SARS outbreak about the risks of trying to engineer these viruses to jump from bats to humans, as well as the risks of exotic meat markets where such animals are sold and eaten.

The risks of research into coronavirus and unsanitary practices in China revealed by the SARS epidemic were called into question. The sale of exotic animals that are corona virus carriers continued in China after 2003 SARS.

Screenshot of abstract
https://i.imgur.com/cYB865v.jpg

The study: Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus as an Emerging and Reemerging Infection

PDF download: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2176051/pdf/0023-07.pdf

The ability to engineer a corona virus from a known carrier that is sold in extremely unsanitary conditions, like a horshoe bat, was questioned in an article in Nature mag in November 2015. Does the benefit justify the risk?

Engineered Bat Virus Stirs Debate Over Risky Research
Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells.
Declan Butler
12 November 2015

More debate on this topic from back then.

Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate
The creation of a chimeric SARS-like virus has scientists discussing the risks of gain-of-function research.
Jef Akst
Nov 16, 2015



Read some reports about the lab, it is interesting.
One would expect that if any type of bioengineering was involved the
many people looking at the genome would’ve found it already, although some have speculated.

It was mentioned that the Those working in the lab May not have taken the protocols seriously enough.
Happens. Remini me of Chernobyl in Russia.

here we have some scanal(s) rom the uk....by the verysame institute that also now do reserch in china, althogh theyre not located in wuhan ....http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/s ... 58857.html
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:43 am

Yet through all the CCP’s obfuscation and ensigning preventable deaths, the WHO consistently praised the CCP for its “transparency” and “leadership,” saying its actions were “making us safer.” To the incredulity of health professionals around the world when finally alerted to the seriousness of the threat in January, the WHO refused to declare it a public health emergency. It took until February 10 for the WHO to even send an advance party to China.


https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/u- ... y-results/

In line with what Taiwan has reported about this organization.
Early warnings from Taiwan were ignored
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:45 am

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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:47 am

Franklin wrote:In taiwan most of the new cases for the last week have been from people returning from europe or usa

today taiwan news has reported that the strains that people are bringing back from europe and usa
are stronger and harder to treat
and children under 5 are having strong symptoms...


Franklin


yikes I hadn't read that. oh man that is not good.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby windwalker on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:52 am

everything wrote:
Franklin wrote:In taiwan most of the new cases for the last week have been from people returning from europe or usa

today taiwan news has reported that the strains that people are bringing back from europe and usa
are stronger and harder to treat
and children under 5 are having strong symptoms...


Franklin


yikes I hadn't read that. oh man that is not good.


It’s a little misleading apparently there are two strains first noted in China.
In Taiwan all travelers are requested to 14 day quarantine,
as I understand it.

They are tracked by phone among other methods to ensure that they obey the quarantine restrictions.

Something that probably would not be allowed in the US.
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:56 am

Giles wrote:
Trick wrote:what i wrote wasnt implying the virus was an creation, i just wanted to point out that chinese scientists work very closely with foreign scientists in the case of virology. the foreign presence in china has been strong at least since mid 2000. corona viruses has all along been on the reserch agenda cooperating with foreign scientists. the foreign institute that has labs in shandong is specialing in corona viruses......so any talk that china didnt let foreign experts in during this covid-19 outbreak sound strange, foreign and chinese scientists must have for a long time understood that an new corona virus might pop up.....China, India and parts of africa are favourite areas for virologists to do reserch it would seem


OK, gotcha! Sorry, in the past I had the impression you sometimes pushed conspiracy theories so I misinterpreted your message here. All good... :)

however i do find conspiracy theories interesting/entertaining......and i keep an open mind, things can be either this or that or nothing till we really know
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby everything on Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:04 am

Right now I mostly fear the "disobedient" people that some cultures normally celebrate as "mavericks", "cowboys", "free thinkers" etc. It's probably worst in USA, Italy, France where culturally we do not like to listen to "authorities". In other cultures, people seem more compliant and disciplined when the world says "hey you should self-quarantine" or "hey we have to track people to trace contacts and risks".

Specifically, I'm worried about the fleeing NYers asked to self-quarantine wherever it is they went to (nobody knows), the young partiers, and just general stupid people who for some unknown reason won't listen or act.

After that more concrete fear, I do fear that new strains emerging seems to be the way of things. Organisms adapt. We (humans) have to figure things out (scientifically).
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Trick on Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:17 am

Steve James wrote:The heavenly sent note is interesting. None of the televangelists are saying that this is God's punishment. They said it about the earthquake and cholera outbreaks in Haiti.

Anyway, ya'll must realize that without people there's no such thing as an "economy."

corona = crown = king = the lord 8-)
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Re: new thread on covid-19 updates in your location

Postby Michael on Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:59 am



I think the full five minute interview is worth a look. Lt. Governor Patrick is giving part of the counter-argument to general, extended quarantine. They're basically saying there has to be a limit to the lockdown time and you have to do cost-benefit analysis.



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