Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Rum, beer, women, movies, nice websites, gaming, etc., without interrupting the flow of martial threads.

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Peacedog on Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:05 am

I think age is definitely a factor. Life expectancy in sub-Saharan Africa writ large is only about 61 years as of 2015. So, from that perspective very little of the population lives long enough to be in the most susceptible range.

Practically speaking very little of that population is obese either, which is one of the biggest risk factors found so far.

But, it does present another series of data points. And the more of these that present the better the odds that answers can be found.
Peacedog
Great Old One
 
Posts: 2011
Joined: Fri May 23, 2008 5:22 am
Location: Standing right next to your girl....

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Trick on Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:31 am

Peacedog wrote: COVID in Africa. Bottom line is we really don’t know why the numbers are so low there, but increasingly it does not appear to be a low case count based off of poor reporting.


could be because Gates has a strong presence there, helping out and testing vaccines ?
We believe that solutions to Africa’s greatest challenges can come from within Africa. Our role is to support African partners whose bold ideas and creative approaches have the potential to save lives, improve health, and help farming families all across the continent. We devote half of the foundation’s resources to projects in Africa and to helping African countries learn from one another.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Where-We-Work/Africa-Office
Trick
Wuji
 
Posts: 3878
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:30 am

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:19 am

Sturgis was a super spreader event. Duh...

https://jalopnik.com/results-are-in-stu ... J3iCZsHXWI

We had the "pleasure" of driving through Sturgis during the event. It was funny to watch all the people hauling (not riding) their bikes and then stopping to hop on once they were 15 miles outside of town. Suburban cosplay at its second best.
文武両道。

Lord Li requires one hundred gold coins per day!
User avatar
Ian C. Kuzushi
Great Old One
 
Posts: 2283
Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 10:02 pm

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Peacedog on Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:13 pm

Gates Foundation has been active dealing with a variety of diseases in Africa for quite some time.

As for COVID specifically, I don't think they've done too much with that yet in Africa as the disease is so new. So far it appears the population there is exceptionally resistant to the disease for reasons that are not understood.

Lots of data for the region such as lower median age, no Vitamin D deficiency, and very little obesity are all indicative of populations that are resistant in general. A fairly low percentage of their populations have type A blood, which is also associated with the most severe presentations of the disease as well.

And that doesn't get into any possible genetic resistance to the disease as well.

Right now it's just too early to tell, but more data is generally better in situations like this.
Peacedog
Great Old One
 
Posts: 2011
Joined: Fri May 23, 2008 5:22 am
Location: Standing right next to your girl....

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Ian C. Kuzushi on Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:21 pm

Well, since South Africa actually has a major Covid problem I'm not sure how useful these general observations are. It could very well be under or non reporting.
文武両道。

Lord Li requires one hundred gold coins per day!
User avatar
Ian C. Kuzushi
Great Old One
 
Posts: 2283
Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 10:02 pm

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Steve James on Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:53 pm

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Well, since South Africa actually has a major Covid problem I'm not sure how useful these general observations are. It could very well be under or non reporting.


African countries have also dealt with ebola. That's one reason there were many infectious disease specialists in those areas, and the people there are less likely to pooh-pooh or reject interventions when they can. South African cases are probably better reported than some other places, but that's also a function of more testing.

It'd be better to look at the hospitalization and survival rates country by country. "Africa" is simply to big a category to make generalizations.
"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."
User avatar
Steve James
Great Old One
 
Posts: 19499
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 am

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Trick on Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:35 am

South Africa is one of the test areas where AstraZenica are in phase 3 of its covid19 vaccine, their testing had for the moment been halted since test person got ill in some neural infection by the vaccine.........

Who volunteers for vaccine testing ? Is there money involved, does the test subjects get payed?
Trick
Wuji
 
Posts: 3878
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:30 am

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby wiesiek on Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:33 am

we are swimming in the RNA/DNA ocean,
viruses are in fact part/s/ of our DNA chain,
so,
vaccination may be counterproductive sometimes,
adopting them - looks like better approach .
This process is natural and we are part of it all the time...
Joyful Fruits of the Live
wiesiek
Wuji
 
Posts: 4049
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 12:38 am
Location: krakow

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Steve James on Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:46 am

Trick wrote:South Africa is one of the test areas where AstraZenica are in phase 3 of its covid19 vaccine, their testing had for the moment been halted since test person got ill in some neural infection by the vaccine.........

Who volunteers for vaccine testing ? Is there money involved, does the test subjects get payed?


The bad vaccine response was in the UK, fwiw.
Volunteers volunteer.
"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."
User avatar
Steve James
Great Old One
 
Posts: 19499
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 am

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Bao on Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:14 am

Is there money involved, does the test subjects get payed?


For this one I don't know, but subjects in this kind of tests usually get a small sum. Small. Obviously they have to sign papers so they cannot sue the company. But they usually try to help a subject as much as possible if there's any complication. If they die, they cannot do much obviously... :-\

Phase III, when they test human subjects, is the most critical phase and where things usually goes wrong. At least 50% of all drugs reaching this stageare either put on hold or will be completely gone. I know people who have invested in small medical companies that do tests with Covid-19 vaccines (usually phase I or II). I try to advice them not to. It's not worth the risk. They will all lose their investments, I am 100% sure of it.
Last edited by Bao on Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:17 am, edited 2 times in total.
Thoughts on Tai Chi (My Tai Chi blog)
- Storms make oaks take deeper root. -George Herbert
- To affect the quality of the day, is the highest of all arts! -Walden Thoreau
Bao
Great Old One
 
Posts: 7631
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 12:46 pm
Location: High up north

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Steve James on Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:54 am

Volunteers might be reimbursed for travel and receive some compensation. Anyway, iinm, the goal of the AZ vaccine trial was to see whether it generated antibodies. If a volunteer gets an unrelated illness, it makes sense to pause. It's not like testing for a cure, as in giving what's being tested to a dying patient.

Ya know. Maybe the politicians who believe a vaccine is around the corner should volunteer.
"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."
User avatar
Steve James
Great Old One
 
Posts: 19499
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 am

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Trick on Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:13 am

Steve James wrote:
Trick wrote:South Africa is one of the test areas where AstraZenica are in phase 3 of its covid19 vaccine, their testing had for the moment been halted since test person got ill in some neural infection by the vaccine.........

Who volunteers for vaccine testing ? Is there money involved, does the test subjects get payed?


The bad vaccine response was in the UK, fwiw.
Volunteers volunteer.

yes, but south africa was mentioned just a couple of posts before, and i just read the news that south africa is also the location(as is also somewhere in tneUS) for astrazenicas vaccine testing....if people can have bad reactions to the vaccine in the UK then the possibillity for that can happen in those other testing areas too ?.........yes volunteers volunteer, but there must be areason for doing so, especially if ones own health may be at stake...is it old people who believe they dont have many years left anyway, is it family'less people ?, or is it just out of pure humanitarian beleif of helping humanity ? or is it poor people who get some cash(does rich people test vaccinate volunteer?)?........would you be volunteering for an not fully developed vaccine ?
Last edited by Trick on Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Trick
Wuji
 
Posts: 3878
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:30 am

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Trick on Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:24 am

Bao wrote:[
they have to sign papers so they cannot sue the company.

isnt it something like that too when governing bodies(EU, local governments) by up the "fully" developed vaccines from these vaccine manufacturers ?
Trick
Wuji
 
Posts: 3878
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:30 am

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby meeks on Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:36 am

Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Sturgis was a super spreader event. Duh...

https://jalopnik.com/results-are-in-stu ... J3iCZsHXWI

We had the "pleasure" of driving through Sturgis during the event. It was funny to watch all the people hauling (not riding) their bikes and then stopping to hop on once they were 15 miles outside of town. Suburban cosplay at its second best.


bahahahaaaaa!

how we see ourselves at the event:
Image

how the local townsfolk see us:
Image
"The power of Christ compels you!" *spank*
now with ADDED SMOOTHOSITY! ;D
User avatar
meeks
Administrator
 
Posts: 3627
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 12:27 pm
Location: Great Lakes, IL

Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby everything on Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:43 am

that is so true. woulda been more Jimmy if you left out the captions.
amateur practices til gets right pro til can't get wrong
/ better approx answer to right q than exact answer to wrong q which can be made precise /
“most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. Source of all true art & science
User avatar
everything
Wuji
 
Posts: 5941
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 7:22 pm
Location: USA

PreviousNext

Return to Off the Topic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests