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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Steve James on Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:24 am

Yep, I've got a Phd, That's why I try to make logical arguments. But, afa the Fourth Amendment, I learned about that in John Peter Zenger elementary school.

Nobody has to be psychic to read what you write. You support the article/video for whatever reason, but you support it. Besides, won't they publish/show the video on FOX anyway? Then, there's always Tor. Though, I wouldn't believe anyone who believes in alien dna or that wearing masks is useless. You don't need a Phd to have common sense.

Hey, you can believe her if you want.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby windwalker on Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:45 am

Nobody has to be psychic to read what you write. You support the article/video for whatever reason, but you support it.


Reading comprehension must not be a strong point.

I support their right to post it, presented it here as an interesting alternative to some of the viewpoints presented against it.
This conversation arose because their viewpoints have been censored, by the media platforms they posted their viewpoints as medical doctors on.


Some here have attempted to discredit them and their viewpoints without having access to their viewpoints because they’ve now been censored.

Because I am not a medical doctor I found it interesting reading their viewpoints that seem to be dismissed by other doctors in the field. Having a read their white paper, I can agree with the facts as presented without being able to support what was stated because I’m not a doctor.

Are you ?
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Steve James on Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:21 am

Good.You find it interesting. Now try it. Better yet, children watch the internet too. What would you say if someone told your child that drinking bleach prevented covid? And, maybe you are wise enough to recommend against it, there are many gullible people who might.

What do you think about the doctor's treatment of women with demonic sexual insemination? How about the use of alien dna? I'd say that she's automatically unreliable. If she'll bullshit about that, she'll bullshit about covid. Again, not based on the possession of any advanced degree.

Personally, I don't do or believe anything because someone in a white coat said something on the internet. Ymmv. Go for it. Afa covid, though, we've passed 150 [thousand] dead human beings. Right now, imo, better safe than sorry --for the sake of the ill and elderly.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby windwalker on Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:57 am

Afa covid, though, we've passed 150 dead human beings. Right now, imo, better safe than sorry --for the sake of the ill and elderly.


The law allows for abortions, what about those who have yet to be born.
For the sake of them, should something be done.

Quoting numbers of dead people.
Is it supposed to mean something.

Whether one agree with abortions or not do you know how many have been performed last year and this year.

Could be wrong,
Doesn’t seem like you really care about the death of Human beings as mentioned , Not all of them.

Do you?
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Steve James on Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:28 am

what about


Abortion. Right.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby LaoDan on Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:23 pm

So...if one cannot defend the (potentially harmful) nonsense posted from certain questionable sources (even if one finds it “interesting” or “different” from what others have to say), switch instead to defending their “right” to post the information, and argue against the “right” of the format to remove the posts? Is that what this has become? Why? Is this related to Trump’s tantrum about having his tweets have a fact check disclaimer added to his posts?
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby windwalker on Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:43 pm

The Ohio Board of Pharmacy has reversed a rule that prohibited the sale and dispensing of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine in the state after Gov. Mike DeWine (R) asked for the reversal.

“I agree with the statement from Dr. Steven Hahn, Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, that the decision about prescribing hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 should be between a doctor and a patient,” DeWine said in a statement. “Therefore, I am asking the Ohio Board of Pharmacy to halt their new rule prohibiting the selling or dispensing of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19.


If it was dangerous to prescribe it, assuming the prohibition was based it being so, as many here seem to feel it is
based on what some call "questionable nonsense "


Not being a doctor I might agree with the premise for its usage , not qualified to support it...

is it now safe?



yesterday it was not

Beginning Thursday, hydroxychloroquine can no longer be used to treat coronavirus in Ohio. Pharmacies, clinics and other medical institutions will be prohibited from dispensing or selling the drug to treat COVID-19, according to new regulations issued by the State of Ohio Board of Pharmacy.


did something change ?
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Trick on Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:43 pm

Ok,an of topic question come to my mind reading here about social media censorship in the cyberspace, ....Who owns the internet ? Who created it ? I read that in the early 80s there were about 20 computers connected, so back then it must have “belonged” to someone/an organization/corporation/government ?
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby everything on Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:43 pm

US DARPA created it. Used to use the early forms of internet comms in the 80s.

Not sure we can say there is any owner.

For censorship, also not sure.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Trick on Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:55 pm

Here’s what your (covid19?)flu-shot will contain. All au naturell with , egg, pork and/or beef, aluminum, and a small dose mercury....+ the virus of course......so keep that bleach in the canister, the shot will soon be here....https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... 7#benefits
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Trick on Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:01 pm

everything wrote:US DARPA created it. Used to use the early forms of internet comms in the 80s.

Not sure we can say there is any owner.

For censorship, also not sure.

Actually Surprised that no one owns it, one could make quite a buck.....maybe the strategy is if it’s still in the hands of DARPA is global surveillance, make it free and everyone want it....?
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Giles on Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:28 am

windwalker wrote:
If it was dangerous to prescribe it, assuming the prohibition was based it being so, as many here seem to feel it is
based on what some call "questionable nonsense "

Not being a doctor I might agree with the premise for its usage , not qualified to support it...

is it now safe?

yesterday it was not


Windwalker, since you were a military medic, it perplexes me that you apparently don't understand where the problem lies.
HCQ is a recognized, established and fairly effective drug for, chiefly, the treatment of malaria. But also sometimes for rheumatoid arthritis, lupus and porphyria. What all these diseases have in common is that they can, each in their own way, cause severe chronic pain and/or suffering and not infrequently death. Even porphyria cutanea tarda, which not only affects the skin but not uncommonly damages or destroys the liver, too. So in all these cases, prescribing and administering the drug HCQ involves weighing up the certain or possible benefits against the proven risks. Just in the same way that chemotherapy for cancer basically involves poisoning the patient in a targeted and controlled way in the hope - often justified - that the patient will, with the necessary support, come through the bouts of poisoning and in the process be freed of cancer, bringing a long-term benefit. But you don't give people chemotherapy as a cure for the huge majority of ailments, because any possible benefit then, even if it might exist, doesn't outweigh the side-effects.

Sure, the side-effects/dangers of HCQ are far less than chemotherapy. But they are significant, and here they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine#Adverse_effects

As said, you have to weigh up the benefits of using the drug to treat malaria or, say, lupus against the possible harm it might do.

If all recent substantiated, methodologically sound, peer-reviewed studies clearly indicate that HCQ brings no curative benefits for people suffering from Covid-19, then that is a very good reason for not prescribing this drug for that purpose. Until any future point in time when further substantiatad studies might indicate that HCQ is helpful after all. Indeed, the indicated lack of efficacy to date is a good reason for clearly recommending against its use for this specific purpose. Because it has no proven benefits (i.e. for Covid-19 it doesn't work) and still has all the possible harmful side-effects. Moreover, if people resort to this drug when it won't help them, especially in the case of self medication, it may well stop them seeking other more effective treatments. Quite possibly until it's too late.

Note: "methodologically sound, peer-reviewed studies" should by contrasted here with anecodatal evidence by certain doctors who by evidence of their own past and recent statements and actions can be identified as being politically driven and/or bullshitters and/or plain nuts. Or with the recommendations of politicians who tend to ignore medical scientific evidence and prefer to be guided by their 'gut feeling'. ;)

So to sum up, HCQ is indeed to some extent "dangerous to prescribe", it is not "safe", but as a medicine for malaria, lupus and some other serious diseases the inherent dangers can be outweighed by the benefits the drug can bring. However, Covid-19 is not one of these indicated diseases.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Giles on Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:30 am

@ Windwalker
Thanks for your relatively clear statement about where you stand on freedom of speech with regard to posting/maintaining material on the Internet - based on the fictional example of "You and your children should drink bleach." I disagree with you about where the line should be drawn, but you provided the clarity I requested. In that sense, appreciated.
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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby Steve James on Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:58 am

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Re: Crazy (and not-so-crazy) shit about Covid-19

Postby windwalker on Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:03 am

@ Giles

acupuncture, are there any recent scientific peer reviewed studies by medical doctors that support acupuncture as a treatment.

For HQ ,The studies you point out not censored, are addressed in their censored white paper which also mentioned ongoing other studies they say Will be published in a couple of months. . It also talked about why they feel those studies were not valid and how they failed.

Not being a doctor, I am wondering why if they banned it for the use on the virus, why was the ban lifted for use on the virus.

What has changed ?

Not a supporter or detractor only pointing out the empirical findings by some doctors and their patients that found benefit from using it off use” as another therapeutic .

While we may disagree, thanks for not being a mind reader, trying to assign motives or labels that have nothing to do with the conversation.

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