.Q. wrote:[ The fact Winnie the Pooh and Animal Crossing are banned shows you the level of censorship.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment ... ence-naked
.Q. wrote:[ The fact Winnie the Pooh and Animal Crossing are banned shows you the level of censorship.
Peacedog wrote:Yeah, it sucks, but HK is done.
in the next ten years.
massive violence.
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windwalker wrote:
A danger lies in the thinking that once the CCP is gone whatever takes its place
will be more benign, agreeable with the west.....
.Q. wrote: He does not give a shit about making people's lives better.
Destroying Buddhist statutes
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2F1ZafiU3o ]
Lei Lei (yes, the Tai Chi master beat up by Xu Xiaodong) inciting violence against Fang Fang (Author of Wuhan Diary). Note that he's only 1 of many calling for her punishment.
Chinese guy describing his wife's C-section anesthesiologist purposely not giving her enough anesthetics due to him not giving red envelope.]
Taiwan businessmen that opened hospitals in China describing medical system there. It's funny how the group that setup the f*d up hospitals at least try not to f* w/ their neighbors.
There are million worse things you can find showing what they're doing.
Honestly I barely paid attention to politics before, but since I've been stuck at home I started looking at random stuff and what I found honestly surprised me.
Peacedog wrote:Conventional wisdom was that the PRC didn't want to kill the golden goose of the HK economy, so they would be fairly hands off
But as Xi is displaying, socialists gonna socialize.
It does surprise me that CV-19 was the trigger.
Bao wrote:.Q. wrote: He does not give a shit about making people's lives better.
They are fighting poverty and it has drastically declined the last ten years. There are lot of improvements on laws and regulations that make China a more equal country with more opportunities for people. They are constantly making improvements for common people.
>>> I agree they are making more money, but according to below non-Taiwan source, if you look at Figure 5. you can see income inequality is rising fast there:
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/ ... ke-the-us/
-----------------------Destroying Buddhist statutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2F1ZafiU3o
Taiwanese news. They publish strange things all of the time and lie about China. You shouldn’t listen too much to them. Looks like they were restoring the big Buddha.
>>> How about this one? I know it's from Taiwan but does that look like they're restoring the statute?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJ_wfaQfHE
----------------------Lei Lei (yes, the Tai Chi master beat up by Xu Xiaodong) inciting violence against Fang Fang (Author of Wuhan Diary). Note that he's only 1 of many calling for her punishment.
Nationalism is strong.
>>> "Nationalism" makes this ok?
-----------------------------Chinese guy describing his wife's C-section anesthesiologist purposely not giving her enough anesthetics due to him not giving red envelope.]
This thing giving doctors and others money started more than 20 years ago. Yang Zemin turned China into a land of corruption. This is one thing Xi is trying to make better and they are fighting against. This is already gone in many places.
>>> I know this is a tradition. I was just demonstrating a problem with their medical system. This guy from China discussed the 10 major fake vaccine problems in the last decade (starts 5:23). Before that he was discussing the recent fake milk problem causing babies to develop large heads:
---------------Taiwan businessmen that opened hospitals in China describing medical system there. It's funny how the group that setup the f*d up hospitals at least try not to f* w/ their neighbors.
Taiwanese again. Always trying to find weird things to say.
>>> I have relatives that worked there for many years and had horrifying experiences with their medical systems. On the only vacation I took in China I had first hand experience with their hospital and it matched their description perfectly. If my friend didn't delete my photos when I lent him my camera I can show you the hilarious picture that showed their doctors wore tall chef's hat. I know it won't change your opinion but that experience formed mine.
---------------------------------------There are million worse things you can find showing what they're doing.
If you watch Taiwanese shows I believe you. If it’s all true? Doubt that even a little is true.
>>> I've cited sources from Taiwan and China. Not sure why you're fixated on Taiwan. I just try to find the most appropriate source for the topic being discussed. Not sure why you think stuff out of democratic Taiwan, where there is freedom of the press, is less trustworthy vs stuff out of China, where a doctor can be arrested for simply informing others of a dangerous virus?
-------------------------------------------Honestly I barely paid attention to politics before, but since I've been stuck at home I started looking at random stuff and what I found honestly surprised me.
That’s the problem I think. You didn’t know how China looked like 20-30 years ago and now you are watching crazy stuff from Taiwan...
>>> Like I said I have relatives that worked there for decades. My parents have gone there. My best friend's mom got kidnapped there and forced into a psych ward. She was lucky to get out w/ her life. Their statements are consistent with the info I see, which are not just Taiwan based. In fact I mostly get info from Chinese people that have moved to democratic countries like US, Australia and Spain. They have much more intimate knowledge of China and understand it to a deeper level.
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I also watched Taiwanese saying that Chinese are so poor that nobody can afford tea boiled eggs and another show they said that a company that makes preserved vegetables had run out of business because no one can afford buying it. But that company is listed on the stock exchange and the founder personally sent the host of the show a big box with preserved vegetables.
Taiwanese government is trying to brainwash the people into believing that all mainland Chinese are poor and have no education. Crazy.
>>> I know for a fact that Taiwanese government wants to encourage bias against China as they've been under military threat for 70 years. No argument there. That's why you need to look at each case objectively and try to figure out what's real and what's not. You're just saying Taiwan = fake. That is provably false. Every statement from another human being is biased in one way or another, that's why we need to try to extract the truth and not just blindly assume everything is true or FALSE.
Below is an American discussed what he realized after living for years in both Taiwan and China. He went to Taiwan first and left for China when he started thinking the Taiwanese were overly nationalistic and paranoid about China. After living in China for some years, he realized the Taiwanese were not paranoid. They were realistic:
Trick wrote:Yes it’s all about the”west”(USA) want to be “America First” all over the globe....they call it globalism
.Q. wrote:you can see income inequality is rising fast there:
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/ ... ke-the-us/
.Q. wrote: How about this one? I know it's from Taiwan but does that look like they're restoring the statute?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJ_wfaQfHE
Nationalism is strong.
>>> "Nationalism" makes this ok?
I know this is a tradition. I was just demonstrating a problem with their medical system.
I have relatives that worked there for many years and had horrifying experiences with their medical systems.
They are working with the medical system, there are already good improvements an more regulations. Earlier, the doctors could sell medicine. But now they have separated all this to pharmacies instead. This is only one of things that has become better.
It's not a tradition. It comes from the Yang Zemin area.
I've lived in China and have friends that are Buddhists and Muslims. I have seen no attacks on Buddhism or any other religion whatsoever. All of that are myths, I can assure you of that.
Michael wrote:It's not a tradition. It comes from the Yang Zemin area.
This is just incorrect. The red envelope before surgery is a widespread tradition throughout the PRC, where some of the doctors have extensive training, but earn the same state-regulated salary as a danwei, so they have an informal system of enforcing bribes for their specialized services.
Nowadays in the PRC, you can choose to provide an ATM card and PIN inside a red envelope instead of actual cash, but if you do not tip at least 20% of the surgery fee in advance, the doctor will do something to you or your loved in order to enforce and perpetuate this system. This is common knowledge in China, and I have seen it first hand in one of my American co-workers who did not know to do this and was marked with a nasty scar.
I've lived in China and have friends that are Buddhists and Muslims. I have seen no attacks on Buddhism or any other religion whatsoever. All of that are myths, I can assure you of that.
Are you saying that Buddhists in Tibet, Sichuan, and Qinghai, as well as Muslims in Xinjiang, are not now being attacked?
Bao wrote:.Q. wrote:you can see income inequality is rising fast there:
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/ ... ke-the-us/
Seems like they are discussing from very early. Will take a closer look at it.
You can take a look at this:
-----------------------.Q. wrote: How about this one? I know it's from Taiwan but does that look like they're restoring the statute?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJ_wfaQfHE
I have no idea and I Cannot find any reliable sources. The main source seems to be Falungong-sponsored Epoch Times.
There are companies building illegal apartments and houses. The government recently took down a big amount of illegally built exclusive villas.
>>> I am aware Epoch Times is Falungong-sponsored. Whenever I see outlandish claims from these types of sources I tried to see if I can find alternative sources of verification. I've occasionally seen tricks such as old news being made new again and that's why I say to examine each case by its own merit. I am aware that details such as the statute being illegal might be the cause, but the video specifically stated that the statute was legal and I have found no contradictory info. Since I know during CR they've destroyed plenty of cultural artifacts anyway, it's not even one of those hard to believe things.
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I've lived in China and have friends that are Buddhists and Muslims. I have seen no attacks on Buddhism or any other religion whatsoever. All of that are myths, I can assure you of that.
>>> Sorry, I've seen plenty of info online that contradict this. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. It seems more of a survivorship bias to me: https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... s-reality/
--------------------------------------------------Nationalism is strong.
>>> "Nationalism" makes this ok?
Whenever did I say that what he said was ok, or even that Nationalism is ok? Please can you find a quote from me?
What I have said in earlier threads, is that if there is something I am worried about concerning China, it is about that the government is feeding nationalism. There's always a thin line between extreme Nationalism and Fascism.
>>> I was pointing out Lei Lei inciting violence against Fang Fang and your answer was "Nationalism is strong". I'm sure most people read it the same way as me. If what you had said some people are always into extremes that would be easier to understand.
--------------------------------------------------------------I know this is a tradition. I was just demonstrating a problem with their medical system.
It's not a tradition. It comes from the Yang Zemin area. They are working with the medical system, there are already good improvements an more regulations. Earlier, the doctors could sell medicine. But now they have separated all this to pharmacies instead. This is only one of things that has become better.
>>> Michael already answered this one.
----------------------------------------------------------------I have relatives that worked there for many years and had horrifying experiences with their medical systems.
I don't doubt it. There are still problems, but it has rapidly become better the last ten-five years or so.
I'll take a look at the China vs Taiwan video. Thanks.
.Q. wrote: BTW: Thanks for actually having reasonable response this time. I don't mind contradictory views, but the original response was not right.
Bill wrote:Do not mistake our criticism of the CCP as criticism of Chinese. We see them as two different things.
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