Why is the USA the most terrible police state in the world

[windwalker]

I have no clue what your point is. I compared the US and HK demonstrations. Thousands of people are filming with cellphones every day in HK and you won't find anything that comes close to what is happening in the US. It seems like today, China understand and respect human rights much better than the USA.

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You seem to have forgotten about

Analysts estimate the garrison numbers between 8,000 and 10,000 troops split between bases in southern China and a network of barracks in Hong Kong, which Beijing now administers as a Special Administrative Region (SAR).

“While the SAR government has so far not felt the need to call on the garrison, that does not mean it will not do so should the situation demand it,” the China Daily editorial said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hong ... SKCN1VK02A

The difference in the US good or bad was that the police always had the ability to stop the looting going on. They didn't for many reasons.
You might understand there is no national police force or control, they'er controlled at the local level by elected officials. Much like the steps taken for the virus each state handles it differently. Somehow people in the US seem to forget its a federation controlled by local officials at the local level.


In HK maybe they understood the point at which they would no longer be or could be protected should they start looting and tearing up the city...After all its HK and China....The Chineses don't don't play are very clear about what will and can happen. Part of what they want is the autonomy granted under the agreement to continue. Not happening, never was...all they've managed to do is shorten the process.

[everything]

damn i stereotype european countries as more independent thinking.

Some are. Some are not. 75% of the population in Sweden still supports the Swedish government. A huge demonstration these days against the police violence in the USA. But there's been no huge demonstration against Sweden's own government and that their incompetence and lack of responsibility has killed +4000 elderly people. 75% of Swedes are apparently hypocritical brainwashed, nationalistic morons.

There's one person in the whole EU parliament who has suggested to condemn China - A Swedish right-wing moron who wants Sweden to become a copy of the USA. China-Sweden relationships are down the drain. Sweden is always complaining and quarrel like a small little angry dog. Still, Sweden believe that China is one very important market and wants to continue making business. Chinese dislikes swedes and I suspect that Sweden won't recover on the Chinese market.

I feel so incredibly embarrassed to be be a Swede right now. I just want to leave this place. The only consolation I can get right now is from that fact that I would probably feel even more embarrassed if I lived in the USA.

Oh yeah, be consoled for sure.

[everything]

As far as "economic war", it's US-based executives of multinational corporations headquartered in the US who decided to move all manufacturing to China (and to a lesser extent elsewhere) for cheaper inputs. Once your competition started doing it, you kind of had to do it.

It was usually more in the Democrat platform to have protectionism or some government stance to help protect Labor. The Republican ideology supports this idea of free trade and that trickle down economics - that it'd be good for the economy and Business (probably true), and eventually that'd be good for the workers. Corporations are People and their lobbyists no doubt pushed this all along.

We could move to a "service economy", but there are "high value add" services and then there are low paid services. This is exacerbated by the Gig Economy and the Sharing Economy. Silicon Valley gets megarich. Uber drivers barely get by.

So with manufacturing of everything and demanding "joint ventures" (read: take all IP as much as possible), and protectionism by China (e.g., ban Twitter and have home-grown versions of everything), China could build on manufacturing everything there, learn to make Chinese cars, Chinese tech, etc., etc. and keep building. The US execs 'got a bad deal' as Trump says since their greed was to reach the burgeoning middle class and cut costs (and get big bonuses).

[everything]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -countries

[Steve James]

Why the US is NOT the worst police state, and it has to do with the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pasSXWerTYg

[Trick]

It was the Marshall Plan, named after George Marshall, btw. The US isn't imperialistic in the same way that the UK, France or Sweden were imperialistic empires. We don't even have an emperor or supreme ruler --although maybe a sith lord. But, seriously, the age of empires ended after ww2. Ok, the UK held on to HK, and the French tried to hold SE Asia, but it wasn't possible.

I agree with you that US capitalism has had the most global influence since ww2. I thought the idea of the EU was to have a currency to counteract the economic influence of the US dollar. Well, I really liked having so many different types of money while traveling. The lira were pretty.

Yes, and after their “empires” dissolved, the US took over, new times and with slightly new methods.
(The colonialists of America where mainly from those European imperialist nations ?) About the Euro:

. An economic and monetary union (EMU) was a recurring ambition for the European Union from the late 1960s onwards. EMU involves coordinating economic and fiscal policies, a common monetary policy, and a common currency, the euro. A single currency offers many advantages: it makes it easier for companies to conduct cross-border trade, the economy becomes more stable, and consumers have more choice and opportunities.

Ok, just a side note, noting really important. The currency the US Dollar was named after the German ‘Thaler’, the Swedes adopted it too as the ‘Daler’

[Trick]

Analysts estimate the garrison numbers between 8,000 and 10,000 troops split between bases in southern China and a network of barracks in Hong Kong, which Beijing now administers as a Special Administrative Region (SAR).

Back in the days, American “analysts” confirmed they spotted nuclear power plants in China when analyzing satellite images, and US began grasping their world police batons ......Turned out they over analyzed those old traditional round Hakka buildings.......

[Giles]

Ok, just a side note, noting really important. The currency the US Dollar was named after the German ‘Thaler’, the Swedes adopted it too as the ‘Daler’

Yeah, fun fact! "Thaler" in turn comes from the town of Joachimsthal (St. Joachim's Valley), which is now Jáchymov in the Czech Republic but still close to the German border. In the 16th century they found huge amounts of silver there, mined it, and started issuing silver coins, which spread throughout Europe. A "joachimsthaler" was too long as a name for the coins, so it got shortened to "thaler" (pronounced "taaler"). And so on.

Derailment over, back to the thread...

[Trick]

. joachimsthaler

wonder how that would have turned out if the US took on to that name..- Yoschmuckdollar ?

[windwalker]

Analysts estimate the garrison numbers between 8,000 and 10,000 troops split between bases in southern China and a network of barracks in Hong Kong, which Beijing now administers as a Special Administrative Region (SAR).

Back in the days, American “analysts” confirmed they spotted nuclear power plants in China when analyzing satellite images, and US began grasping their world police batons ......Turned out they over analyzed those old traditional round Hakka buildings.......

BEIJING - The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) said on Wednesday (Jul 24) that its forces stationed in Hong Kong can be deployed to maintain public order in the city – a move branded by analysts as a clear warning to protesters who are seen by Beijing as becoming increasingly provocative.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east- ... request-to

Thousands of Chinese military personnel waving red flags paraded at a sports stadium in a city across the border from Hong Kong on Thursday.

Armored vehicles were also seen inside the stadium in Shenzhen, as concerns build that China may intervene to end more than 10 weeks of unrest in Hong Kong.

Indeed, China’s ambassador in London warned several hours later that Beijing was ready to intervene if the crisis gets worse.

https://asiatimes.com/2019/08/chinese-m ... ng-border/

[Trick]

A HK paper and a Singaporean paper, are the analysts ?......that spotted armored vehicles in a stadium.......

Anyway, it’s quite obvious that if the policeforce gets overwhelmed by rioting mobs, there will/must be taken other measures ?

[everything]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/b ... nrest.html

57 of their fellow officers resigned. Good riddance!

You're siding with 2 bullies who beat up a 75 year old man. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves. WTF. Who are the fucking criminals here? The fucking old guy protester?????????? This is the bullshit that goes on and on.

AR-15s by "lone wolfs" (if they're white) and police brutality. Where is the leadership here?

[windwalker]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-shove-protester-unrest.html

57 of their fellow officers resigned. Good riddance!

You're siding with 2 bullies who beat up a 75 year old man. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves. WTF. Who are the fucking criminals here? The fucking old guy protester?????????? This is the bullshit that goes on and on.

AR-15s by "lone wolfs" (if they're white) and police brutality. Where is the leadership here?

is there a video of the " 75 year old man" being beaten up?

[Steve James]

Anyway, it’s quite obvious that if the policeforce gets overwhelmed by rioting mobs, there will/must be taken other measures ?

You mean in HK? Sure, there's no guarantee that anyone can protest in China. It's possible that PRC soldiers would be willing to shoot HKers. I remember that the well known image from Tianamen Square was that of the one guy standing down the tank.

Rioters might take over a street, but it can't last forever. There's no need for a small force of officers to confront a crowd. Otoh, using overwhelming force against people doesn't make people stop. It creates rebels because using force always results in collateral victims --who were innocent of any wrongdoing.

If everyone in HK is willing to take a bullet, the PRC won't win because the price will be too high. I think there could be an agreement that allows both sides to save face. Cause it's all about makin' dat money.

[Michael]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-shove-protester-unrest.html

57 of their fellow officers resigned. Good riddance!

You're siding with 2 bullies who beat up a 75 year old man. You should all be terribly ashamed of yourselves. WTF. Who are the fucking criminals here? The fucking old guy protester?????????? This is the bullshit that goes on and on.

AR-15s by "lone wolfs" (if they're white) and police brutality. Where is the leadership here?

is there a video of the " 75 year old man" being beaten up?

Here it is.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlmAfv-mrXA