Statues and symbols

[Trick]

Nearly 5,000 students signed a petition that called for the removal of the Gandhi statute. Despite Gandhi’s status as a warrior for peace, the students allege that Gandhi held prejudices against various minority groups.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/ ... hi-statue/

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/76608365 ... r-scrutiny

[Steve James]

OK, afa a Gandhi statue, signing a petition for its removal is unremarkable. In fact, it is a Gandhian nonviolent tactic.
Should his statue be removed because he was a bigot when he was young or because he may have been a perverted old man? Or, does his successful use of nonviolence to gain India freedom from the British make him an absolutely untouchable icon?

I think that's up to the specific people where the statue is placed. Gandhi is on Indian currency. His accomplishments won't be forgotten there. Well, there are many Indian nationalists (with odd connections to our politics) who don't like Gandhi's ideas.

Anyway, the only people who should be fighting for a Gandhi statue are those who believe in Gandhi's principles of nonviolence, and his antiracism -even toward Muslims. A statue is just a piece of shaped rock that is supposed to remind us of something. Hmm, what do you think Gandhi would have thought about a statue?

[Steve James]

The name of this monument was changed from Custer Historical Monument (iinm) to Little Bighorn National Monument. Anyway, if you have time, listen to the story told by a member of the Crow people. Btw, there is a Crazy Horse monument. But, look up the history of Mount Rushmore. There's a connection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOBc3UvBGwQ&t=1721s

[Steve James]

Speaking of the Sioux/Lakota and monuments, how about the Black Hills and Mount Rushmore. There's going to be a big thing at Breitbart, I'm sure, lamenting an attack on history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8QQBRIqZmw

And, about the sculptor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0bz1k2CWc

[Steve James]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MJoKhO9G1g

[Trick]

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[Steve James]

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Little Mermaid meaningful to you? Well, Vandals were a European tribe. Maybe it was them?

[Trick]

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Little Mermaid meaningful to you? Well, Vandals were a European tribe. Maybe it was them?

its kind of an national symbol for denmark, an tourist attraction, comes from an HC Andersen story, an important figure in danish literarary history...so meaningful it is.......In america ill guess most would just think of a disney movie........But yes the statue has been vandalized a couple of times throu the years,but nothing to do with the ancient germanic vandal tribe who went on vandalizing roman stuff

[Steve James]

Hey, they were vandals. True, we don't know their ethnic origins. But, c'mon, vandalizing a king's statue, ok. But, I doubt anyone really thinks the mermaid is linked to racism. I mean, the danes have a sterling reputation against anti-Semitism. But, there are way more political symbols of Denmark that anyone who cared might deface. How about the City Hall or Fredereksburg castle. Denmark did have slave colonies, but the Little Mermaid ... naw.

Anyway, if you can explain their reasoning, I'd listen. I just don't think I'd buy it. So, I'll call those people vandals and leave it at that.

[Trick]

Yes of course the recent vandalization of the Danish ‘little mermaid’can very well be some weird protest or ploy against recent statue vandalizatons...it’s weird times, anything seem to go..

It’s believed the original vandals came from Sweden, as also the case with goths, and theorized that they brought some order to the more barbaric folks inhabitating today’s north Germany and Poland . What merge was a slightly more disciplined barbarian that could organize them selfs to the point they could take control of Rome for a time..

Recently with the BLM demonstrations around the globe n the statuevandalisation actions, there’s a lot talk about slaves taken from Africa. So I read and hear that the European nations that held African slaves actually did not just go to Africa to “fetch” people, they bought slaves captured and sold by other Africans and Arabs? This was in west Africa, in east africa slaves where taken and traded solely in the middle east and North Africa...Eventually slave trade was made illegal buy Europeans that .colonized North Africa and some other African nations. However when the Europeans left slavery surfaced again in some places in Africa ?

[Trick]

Now, this is in Swedish, maybe google can help translate ? It’s about Swedes being traded as slaves in North Africa in the 1600-1700 a piece of history that recently surfaced. https://fof.se/tidning/2015/4/artikel/h ... som-slavar

[Steve James]

White women are still bought and sold all over the world.

It's true. Africans might be stolen by other Africans and then bought by Europeans or Arabs. Of course, the Europeans could have freed them or their children. Instead, they fought a war to keep people who had been born here. BLM is not about slavery. Jim Crow is closer. Look that up.

[Trick]

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[Trick]

BLM is not about slavery. Jim Crow is closer. Look that up.

however the current issues with certain statues/symbol, the BLM movements tie themself all the way back to colubus and the slave ships from africa to americas that followed ?

[windwalker]

@ trick,

67 shot, 13 fatally, over Fourth of July weekend in Chicago so far
Among the victims are a 7-year-old girl fatally shot at a Fourth of July party and a 14-year-boy who was one of four people killed in a shooting that hurt four others.

BLM is part of a Marxist movement used in part, of whats being referred to as a culture war.
It's contextual, out side of a promoted context BLM has shown no interest in the lives it claims matter.

History, can be viewed though many lenses that can include or exclude facts depending on the story told.
Can't promote a different "his-story" with out first rewriting or disappearing the old one.

“The Five Civilized Tribes were deeply committed to slavery, established their own radicalized black codes, immediately reestablished slavery when they arrived in Indian territory, rebuilt their nations with slave labor, crushed slave rebellions, and enthusiastically sided with the Confederacy in the Civil War.”