China tries a Honey Trap to Ensnare me — serpentza

[Steve James]

Who would both/all of y'all believe or accept as a source?

The best would be to go to Xinjiang to see for oneself

It sure would be, but it's not happening. Ideally, it'd best to be a Uighur.
Not that it matters what I believe about what is happening in China.

[marvin8]

Who would both/all of y'all believe or accept as a source?

The best would be to go to Xinjiang to see for oneself

In the youtube video I posted, a Han Chinese man went undercover to Xinjiang. Also, Uighur people that were in the "reeducation camps" in Xinjiang as well as Uighur family members have been interviewed.

[GrahamB]

I don't think any evidence will convince these guys. I'm starting to fail to see the point in debating these days. We live in a world that has normalised chemtrails, children being shot in schools, exteme nationalism disguised at patrioism, flat earth, conspiracy theories about 5G, I mean, at this point I might as well just get used to it

[Trick]

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In the youtube video I posted, a Han Chinese man went undercover to Xinjiang. Also, Uighur people that were in the "reeducation camps" in Xinjiang as well as Uighur family members have been interviewed.

that sound exiting - "went undercover to Xinjiang" .

[Trick]

I don't think any evidence will convince these guys.

i can understand that prisons here are harsher than swedish ones. as its said xinjiang has had trouble with terrorism linked to islamism, things escalated with the birth of ISIS, quite a many uyghurs joined in in syria with surroundings, then comming back to xinjiang spreading the terror gospels....by introducing their reeducation facilities china probably can be held responsible for reducing ISIS manpower considerably........by the way, in modern times britain was probably the ones introducing the idea and practice, -

The British have always held hypocritical positions when it comes to concentration camps: they are as eager as any other nation to use them while always being the first to condemn any country that sets up similar establishments.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/uk-c ... -prisoners

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

Wait, so now we are all agreeing that the detention camps exist? Jeeze, all you have to do is bring a bit of xenophobia into it and it all becomes so easy.

[Steve James]

No country ever admitted to genocide, either, or said that what it's doing is for anything other than the best reasons.

[Trick]

Wait, so now we are all agreeing that the detention camps exist? Jeeze, .

Jeeze, wait.........detationcamps/prisons, China had to take drastic actions agains the growing terror and Islamist support happening in Xinjiang , they succeeded, and you should probably thank them, that their actions actually weakened ISIS.....
But then however I can understand that the US perhaps in collaboration with the U.K. wanted a strong ISIS at least initially to destabilize the regions where they where spreading terror(remember the Bush/Blair pair ?] The terror Organisation was most certainly brewed by the US. Their re-education detention camp Guantanamo was/(is?)about creating terrorists.
The US has some very clever manipulers on a global level....you’re either with them or against them

[Bao]

We live in a world that has normalised chemtrails, children being shot in schools, exteme nationalism disguised at patrioism, flat earth, conspiracy theories about 5G,

Surprised you didn't mention holocaust deniers. That is closest to what the people who believe in global Evil communism compare China-friendly people with.

Some nations in the west has a purpose to actively demonise countries as China, Russia and Iran. Both media and politics nurture a certain pictures and certain ideas about these and other countries. A big difference between flat earth and holocaust deniers is that it's politically correct to believe in fantastic stories about certain nations and people. This is very sad as it nurtures fear and racism. But it's understandable from a political point of view.

The countries are not evil. The governments are not evil. Not all of the people in the governments are evil. Most of them want to be good and do good for their people. It's provocations and manufactured conflicts from the real terrorist states, our nations here in the west, that do everything to press down other countries for their own benefits. Keeping them from developing and growing. This is what the US desperately is trying to do with China now. The US has already given China a place in this world - as a second world nation that should serve the West with production. If people cannot see this, I would suggest them to learn more about real recent history.

Jeeze, wait.........detationcamps/prisons, China had to take drastic actions agains the growing terror and Islamist support happening in Xinjiang , they succeeded, and you should probably thank them, that their actions actually weakened ISIS....

Yup. But here in the West, China cannot do anything good, either for its people or for the World. Because China is Evil.

I came to remember the terrorist attack a few years ago, in the train station in my own hometown in China, Kunming where 31 civilians died and 140 was injured. In Kunming, no one here (or in the rest of China), have ever regarded those terrorists as "moslems" or "uighurs". They just regard them as terrorists, period. The religion or nationality doesn't matter. In Kunming there are 26 different minorities living close to each other, side by side, moslems and uighurs are everywhere and live just like any other group. The Uighurs here study the Quran and their own culture just as any other moslem group, they drive their businesses, restaurants (they are also famous for their barbecue in the night markets, everyone eats it). Nothing changed with the attack. It didn't fuse any tensions or suspicions. Chinese understand the difference between religion and terrorism very well.

When you understand how integrated different groups are in china and how they live together in society, everything you've believed about those fairy tales about persecutions will fade away.

The US has some very clever manipulators on a global level....you’re either with them or against them

Most people are too dumb and too lazy to ever be taught about what the US and its closest allies constantly do all over the world.

[Finny]

Most people are too dumb and too lazy to ever be taught about what the US and its closest allies constantly do all over the world.

Do you live in the US? If not, by your own reasoning what makes you think you know anything about the US or it's policies? Seems like you're willing to hear reports when it suits you.

[Trick]

I’ve newer been to the US but I have seen jay leno doing his jaywalking, that was funny....and perhaps scary a little...I mean, it’s supposed to be the greatest nation...

[Bao]

Do you live in the US? If not, by your own reasoning what makes you think you know anything about the US or it's policies?

Do you believe that you would understand what a country as the US did in other countries merely by living in the US? No one wants to think bad about their own country. Very few here knows how my own country sells weapons to other countries being used in war or how coorporations having business in other countries breaks international laws. People are not interested in foreign policies when it comes to all of the wrong things they do. But complaining about other countries make them feel superior. Common people in my own country are probably more pompous and arrogant than people in most other people. Hope the failure covid-19 make people wske up a bit.

[yeniseri]

BBC reporter: "Why are people are kneeling, blindfolded and shaven, and being lead to trains in modern China?"
What his happening here ambassador? "
Chinese Ambassador to UK: "I don't know... where did you get this video clip?"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1284784810200838145

I didn't see if anyone was kneeling, blindfolded or shaven. But he said that it might be prisoners being transferred from one jail to another, like what any other country does.

Edit: Found that it's probably an old video from Xinjiang of inmates transferring from Kashgar to Korla. It's likely from 2018 and made rounds on social media in 2019.

Strange that whatever clip is shown from China, here in the west, people always use their fantasy to make up the most incredible stories.

And btw, the ambassador was very calm, tried to answer but repeatedly interrupted by an unnecessarily aggressive reporter. Do british people think it's ok to treat Chinese people badly? ...Does anyone else see the irony here?

2 months ago or so FRONTLINE had a programme about Uighur incarceration and the "Sinification Strategy" and widespread video technology. It seems they brought the "struggle sessions" of the 60s back when dealing with UIghurs as a way to control them and strip them of their culture. There were even incidents of Han following or staying in the homes of 'selected" Uighurs to make sur they were doing the 'right thing" in their home i..e deification of the structure that allowed such policies.

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

It's so weird. On the same site where I am regularly called "comrade" for being critical of the US, I am now accused of being pro US imperialism? Did it ever occur that one can be critical of the policies of both China and the US? I'm more critical of the US because it's where I live and I'd like to try and do something about it. But, that doesn't mean I'm going to do mental jujitsu to turn a blind eye to the human rights abuses going on in Xinjiang.

Also, just because the PRC claims to be fighting ISIS doesn't mean they are. Are they fighting ISIS in Tibet?

[Peacedog]

Everyone knows the pan-national socialists (Soviet style) don't get along with the national socialists (Nazi). Or jokers to the left of me and clowns to the right if you wish...

Don't worry, you'll always be Comrade Ian to me.