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serpentza
Jul 10, 2020

Now that I have left China, I have seen an uptick in harassment from the Chinese nationalists I am obviously now seen as greater threat!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaBg06osKXY

. I have seen an uptick in harassment from the Chinese nationalists

what is an “Chinese nationalist” ? Has here come around a National socialist party as in a Nazi party?

As OP give a short explaination who or what Serpenta is ?

Trick wrote:As OP give a short explaination who or what Serpenta is ?

I believe serpentz is a guy that has a website talking about his experience in China and the culture. He has since moved out of China. A Chinese "woman" contacted him whom he believes is a Chinese spy. A U.S. friend of mine who ran a mandarin language meet up group had a similar experience.

China Uncensored
Feb 17, 2020

How the FBI Combats Chinese Spies & “Honey Traps”

Former undercover FBI agent Marc Ruskin reveals how the FBI and CIA fought Chinese espionage and spies infiltrating the US and America, including techniques like the infamous "honey trap." The US has much more to worry about than just the coronavirus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olzctlPQGYo

If one has been around in China for a while and has an eye for it one can see/recognize them the civil police(here in China) that keeps an occasional eye on foreigners. Understandably there’s more of them in the big cities, you spot them in bars, cafes and similar, and most certainly within foreign businessess operating here in China(quite understandably to my mind) they even approach in bars cafes(without reveling who they are, of course) for a little chatting.......And the thing is, here are these “spies” from other nations too, US, Israel and North Korea I know of.......Its quite interesting when one know this, especially when one know who is what...without them knowing you know......

I think it's interesting how he makes it clear that overly "patriotic", tribal, my team/country is better than you, "'Murica" or "China is best at everything!" type behavior is ridiculous no matter where in the world you go. Except combine it with this notion of "loss of face" and censorship/thought police type of government, and you get these really weird behaviors that are ... well, kind of fascinating.

Trick wrote:If one has been around in China for a while and has an eye for it one can see/recognize them the civil police(here in China) that keeps an occasional eye on foreigners. Understandably there’s more of them in the big cities, you spot them in bars, cafes and similar, and most certainly within foreign businessess operating here in China(quite understandably to my mind) they even approach in bars cafes(without reveling who they are, of course) for a little chatting.......And the thing is, here are these “spies” from other nations too, US, Israel and North Korea I know of.......Its quite interesting when one know this, especially when one know who is what...without them knowing you know......

Yes, this is more of what my friend experienced. I didn't know that civil policing of foreign individuals was that common. Here another video from serpentza about their experience with civil policing:

China Unscripted
Apr 5, 2020

Joining us today from all our coronavirus self quarantine social distancing are the OG China YouTubers Laowhy86 and SerpentZA to talk about what life was like for them inside China. Highlights include being followed by the Chinese military, the PLA, and the dangers of drone shots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDV4s9c9sfQ

marvin8 wrote:SNIP
Yes, this is more of what my friend experienced. I didn't know that civil policing of foreign individuals was that common. SNIP

When I was a the Hopkins Nanjing Center 15 years ago or so, it was a 1 year program with a 50-50 ratio of mainland and international students (about 150 students total). It came to light during the course of the year that the national safety bureau - the Chinese Stasi (different from the civil police- one registers with the local station of the civil police each time one moves, but otherwise has minimal contact with the normal police) came around once a month to interview the Chinese students to see if the international students were doing anything suspicious. Out of the 75 Chinese students only one of them let the international students know about the info gathering that was going on. Bearing in mind that this was during a much more relaxed time in China and pre smartphones, I cannot for one second think that the spying has relaxed these days. That being said, I don't remember anything similar from my time at Fudan at the turn of the century, but I think HNC was a bit more high profile.

Even since the Falungong fiasco (my baseline) China has been updating its 'honeypot" technology and exporting to numerous countries in EU and Americas. My experience was when I was looking to attend Falungong and the whole phenomenon on why the sudden blowback and on attending some events (usually at university locations), I noticed that the women only events had an odd "data collection" character (they will ask for your name, address, email etc and actually go down a list of why people were interested in Falungong, who taught you, etc which is far more that any qigong group requested when signing up!. They tended to be off campus but still affiliated with the local university. In some case, I observed what appeared tobe phototaking of vehicle numbers of those attending events. At that time, I paid no attention but I realized some thing was up (to say the least!) on this behavioural thing going on.

Later, I began seeing headliens in Hong Kong newspapers, that depending on one's status within the structure/organization (student, organizer or 'foreigner',) they employed hacking 'professionals' (usually students at nearby institutions to do surveillance on th eindividual. In some instances, these "students" broke into the individual's place of residence and theretened them to stay away from Falungong. There were a few cases of groups of these 'students' beating up people to show the long arm of government party enforcement. Public Security has an inside unit to deal with Falungong called 951 Group (do not recall the actual designation! or something like that and their goal is to raise hell for Falungong and the Organization.

yeniseri wrote:Even since the Falungong fiasco (my baseline) China has been updating its 'honeypot" technology and exporting to numerous countries in EU and Americas. My experience was when I was looking to attend Falungong and the whole phenomenon on why the sudden blowback and on attending some events (usually at university locations), I noticed that the women only events had an odd "data collection" character (they will ask for your name, address, email etc and actually go down a list of why people were interested in Falungong, who taught you, etc which is far more that any qigong group requested when signing up!. They tended to be off campus but still affiliated with the local university. In some case, I observed what appeared tobe phototaking of vehicle numbers of those attending events. At that time, I paid no attention but I realized some thing was up (to say the least!) on this behavioural thing going on.

Later, I began seeing headliens in Hong Kong newspapers, that depending on one's status within the structure/organization (student, organizer or 'foreigner',) they employed hacking 'professionals' (usually students at nearby institutions to do surveillance on th eindividual. In some instances, these "students" broke into the individual's place of residence and theretened them to stay away from Falungong. There were a few cases of groups of these 'students' beating up people to show the long arm of government party enforcement. Public Security has an inside unit to deal with Falungong called 951 Group (do not recall the actual designation! or something like that and their goal is to raise hell for Falungong and the Organization.

Sounds like the Fox Hunt Operation at work: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/07/china-christopher-wray-operation-fox-hunt

vadaga wrote:

marvin8 wrote:SNIP
Yes, this is more of what my friend experienced. I didn't know that civil policing of foreign individuals was that common. SNIP

When I was a the Hopkins Nanjing Center 15 years ago or so, it was a 1 year program with a 50-50 ratio of mainland and international students (about 150 students total). It came to light during the course of the year that the national safety bureau - the Chinese Stasi (different from the civil police- one registers with the local station of the civil police each time one moves, but otherwise has minimal contact with the normal police) came around once a month to interview the Chinese students to see if the international students were doing anything suspicious. Out of the 75 Chinese students only one of them let the international students know about the info gathering that was going on. Bearing in mind that this was during a much more relaxed time in China and pre smartphones, I cannot for one second think that the spying has relaxed these days. That being said, I don't remember anything similar from my time at Fudan at the turn of the century, but I think HNC was a bit more high profile.

An American friend who taught English at the technology university in Dalian, was asked to either stop his US “propaganda” or leave the university, he left.
It was one of his pupils who apparently by his own initiative complained to the school office.
I used to meet him a couple of times a week at the Starbucks that we both frequented, he often talked about how he wanted his students be less “Chinese minded”. I told him to be sure he was not going to be too “American minded” about that cause that might get him to loose his job or more....i think the university was quite friendly about it, to give him an option.

I can absolutely understand that universities/schools with a quite high number of foreign students have some sort of regular check ups......The so called Chinese “Stasi” as you say, well they know the game that’s played, intelligence agencies of the major player states all use“students” as part of the game.

Just be sure not to confuse Falungong with Qigong and similar. Falungong is a sect that threatening it’s followers with demon possessing if they do any other exercises(Qigong)than just Falungong......an Chinese Scientology like sect ?

marvin8 wrote:

Trick wrote:If one has been around in China for a while and has an eye for it one can see/recognize them the civil police(here in China) that keeps an occasional eye on foreigners. Understandably there’s more of them in the big cities, you spot them in bars, cafes and similar, and most certainly within foreign businessess operating here in China(quite understandably to my mind) they even approach in bars cafes(without reveling who they are, of course) for a little chatting.......And the thing is, here are these “spies” from other nations too, US, Israel and North Korea I know of.......Its quite interesting when one know this, especially when one know who is what...without them knowing you know......

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Yes, this is more of what my friend experienced. I didn't know that civil policing of foreign individuals was that common.

it’s not that people are continuously followed and “brought in” for questioning all the times. If you are seen as having nothing to hide, an regular guy, nothing gonna happen....You can go on have a good fun life here in China