everything wrote:It seems there could be a legal issue of - did he actually tell the mob to be violent? We all know he encouraged them and seemed happy about it, but it seems easy to argue he didn't actually say to go violently disrupt the lawful election.
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Finny wrote:Bao wrote:
That was a bisarre assertion. Apparently you don't.
Trump didn't like to lose a democratic election. His attack is at least an indirect attack on democracy and on the democratic system of the USA. If he is not puncished, it would mean that you can threat and incite violence against the system without any consequence. What signals would that send to the people?
Can you explain to me who he attacked? What do you expect him to "spend a very long time behind bars" for?
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote:Finny wrote:Bao wrote:
That was a bisarre assertion. Apparently you don't.
Trump didn't like to lose a democratic election. His attack is at least an indirect attack on democracy and on the democratic system of the USA. If he is not puncished, it would mean that you can threat and incite violence against the system without any consequence. What signals would that send to the people?
Can you explain to me who he attacked? What do you expect him to "spend a very long time behind bars" for?
Well, what do we mean by attack? And, does someone need to attack a person to be rightfully imprisoned?
Trump and most of the Republicans have been attacking democracy since before the election results were in. It was Trump and his cronies' constant attacks on our democratic institutions that created the tinder box, and Trump's rally that lit it. It's a completely obvious cause and effect.
As for what Trump could go to prison for? There are many options (although tradition will likely protect him, which is a shame).
Sedition
Tax fraud
Bank and insurance fraud
Campaign finance violations
Bribery
Negligent homicide
https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/tru ... osecution/
Finny wrote:
For multiple reasons, that ain't gonna happen. I was just wondering what Bao thought the connection between that and 'democracy' was. But I get it now. I disagree, but I get where he's coming from.
Ian C. Kuzushi wrote: Over 70% of Republicans (or FOX NEWS viewers anyway) think that the election was stolen. That's pretty frightening.
Steve James wrote:Whether he is prosecuted for anything depends primarily on the prosecutor and the statutes at the location. There won't be anything happening in a court before the 20th anyway. However, I think the bigger issue is what happens on the dates already being put forward as opportunities to repeat what happened at the Capitol.
The solution is not a trial, though some sort of trial is inevitable. To at least reduce the possibility of more violence, the president needs to come clean. He needs to tell his supporters that he was wrong and that they should stand down. Twitter was absolutely right for cancelling his account. He keeps saying the same things. The people who'd do this were here long before Trump. Now, it's his responsibility to make sure they don't do anything is his name or on his urging.
Well, it's a Constitutional right to peacefully protest, even while openly armed in some states. Remember when those Antifa thugs planned to kidnap the governor of Michigan? I didn't think you did? Multiply that times fifty. Every state capital has to be secured and hardened. What does that situation sound like?
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