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psychedelics as a medicine

Postby meeks on Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:20 pm

wondering if anyone here has direct experience (first hand) or semi-direct (personally witnessed a friend) recover from concussion/brain injury using psychedelics as a medicine.
eg: micro-dosing mushroom, etc
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby Trick on Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:19 pm

Sounds dangerous. I’ve never touched any drugs other than caffeine, alcohol and tobacco, if I would have suffered an brain injury I would most probably stay away from those for a while...Anyway, follow the doctors prescripton and advices might be the safest to do, if that involves psychedelic drugs then I’ll guess taking it would be alright
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby meeks on Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:15 am

Typically for brain injury they say “here’s an ssri prescription for anxiety “ and “let’s see how you’re doing next month “.as far as pharmaceuticals go there is no ‘cure’ for brain injury and many people are still quite affected by it for years.
The use of micro dosing (taking such a small amount you do not feel any effects of the psychedelic) have been shown to create new neuropathways (neurogenesis) and help patients recover with noticeable improvements AND it also mitigates the anxiety that is often associated with brain injury.

This isn’t about getting high and tripping balls on drug trips. It’s about using a small measured dose to activate the brain and allow people to recover from injury rather than be stuck as ‘the new normal’ for the remainder of their lives
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby Trick on Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:21 pm

Are the small doses self prescribed ? How is one trained in prescribing psychedelics, through medical studies ?
Since it’s claimed that such drugs creates new neuropathways it sounds there are some real scientific reserch going on, so perhaps psychedelics may be prescribed by trained doctors sometime soon...
However it just sounds as some Lucy reaction wish
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby meeks on Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:49 am

If you check out maps.org you can see the clinical research they’ve done with psychedelics as medicine. It’s unfortunate that many people relate this to “just getting high” . There are schedules to follow just like the instructions on a bottle of aspirin and that is self administered. You will find doctors in certain areas that are well informed and can monitor progress.

So my original question was whether anyone had direct experience with this. Based on your pushback I’ll take your response as a hard no?
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby Trick on Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:24 pm

meeks wrote:So my original question was whether anyone had direct experience with this. Based on your pushback I’ll take your response as a hard no?

Yes I mentioned that in my first post that I have no experience of such drugs..... just thought the idea of using such drugs sound dangerous. However you are right, clinical research of such drugs has been going on for quite sometimes, at least from as early as the 1950’s, and yes it really seem it’s all about creating new brain neuropaths...check out MK-Ultra - https://www.history.com/topics/us-gover ... f-mk-ultra
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby meeks on Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:18 pm

Trick wrote:
meeks wrote:So my original question was whether anyone had direct experience with this. Based on your pushback I’ll take your response as a hard no?

Yes I mentioned that in my first post that I have no experience of such drugs..... just thought the idea of using such drugs sound dangerous. However you are right, clinical research of such drugs has been going on for quite sometimes, at least from as early as the 1950’s, and yes it really seem it’s all about creating new brain neuropaths...check out MK-Ultra - https://www.history.com/topics/us-gover ... f-mk-ultra


wow... COMPLETELY off topic post that I assume you are using to fortify your "all use of psychedelics is a bad thing" standpoint....
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby Trick on Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:08 pm

meeks wrote:
Trick wrote:
meeks wrote:So my original question was whether anyone had direct experience with this. Based on your pushback I’ll take your response as a hard no?

Yes I mentioned that in my first post that I have no experience of such drugs..... just thought the idea of using such drugs sound dangerous. However you are right, clinical research of such drugs has been going on for quite sometimes, at least from as early as the 1950’s, and yes it really seem it’s all about creating new brain neuropaths...check out MK-Ultra - https://www.history.com/topics/us-gover ... f-mk-ultra


wow... COMPLETELY off topic post that I assume you are using to fortify your "all use of psychedelics is a bad thing" standpoint....

Yes as I said, I think it sound dangerous/bad....of course without any direct or indirect experience of the drugs I agree it’s worth little for your curiosity in the psychedelics

Hope you will get your answers from some with experience of such drugs. that’s as neutral I can get on the issue, good luck.
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby Quigga on Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:36 am

I took a few drugs. Cannabis, cocaine, shrooms 3 times, alcohol (duh) and nitrous oxide.

Can't recommend any of them...

Shrooms were standard psilocybin ones, 4-5 years ago.

1st trip: Everything felt alive, more fluid, I danced like a flower girl.
2nd trip: I took a knife and stabbed imaginary people in my room for around 20 minutes.
3rd trip: nothing, just feeling dull.

Nitrous oxide capsules make you pass out almost, you have a very metallic ringy feeling in your head, feel as if you're somewhere else and then you start laughing.

Drug usage as a habit is super duper cool to run away from your problems and to keep hiding.

I think you need the right environment before, during and after using, with therapeutic guidance included. I'm glad I didn't get more trouble than I have.

But re microdosing with supervision it may be worth a shot. Your gates may open just a tiny bit which could allow enough exposure to facilitate growth in a positive direction. I've read about successful treatments for PTSD with psilocybin or LSD, both microdosed.

I think it would certainly stimulate brain growth as any new experiences do, but the positive guiding might be the challenge.

I don't know how the risks of psychosis and short or long term dissociation look when microdosing.

Sounds to me like this is a question about whether to manage symptoms of the injury or to heal the injury. Could there be some overlap? Or both managing and healing at the same time...
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby windwalker on Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:15 am

meeks wrote:wondering if anyone here has direct experience (first hand) or semi-direct (personally witnessed a friend) recover from concussion/brain injury using psychedelics as a medicine.
eg: micro-dosing mushroom, etc



On going related studies,

At the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research, researchers will focus on how psychedelics affect behavior, mood, cognition, brain function, and biological markers of health. Upcoming studies will determine the effectiveness of psilocybin as a new therapy for opioid addiction, Alzheimer's disease, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome (formerly known as chronic Lyme disease), anorexia nervosa and alcohol use in people with major depression. The researchers hope to create precision medicine treatments tailored to the specific needs of individual patients.

https://hopkinspsychedelic.org/
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby Peacedog on Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:30 am

I haven’t seen psychedelics benefit anyone for head trauma long term.

I have seen hyperbaric chamber therapy help a few people. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t.

The good news is it is relatively inexpensive and completely legal.

http://www.chicagohyperbaric.com/
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Re: psychedelics as a medicine

Postby meeks on Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:55 am

well I suffered a very severe concussion recently (got T-bone by a truck... then 2 more crashes within a year, one on the freeway which almost turned my brain to pudding - concussion on top of a concussion is life threatening - I had 3 high speed collision in a 2 year period) which took me out of being able to work for over 2 years - some of you may have noticed my participation on the board had really dropped off, and I had also deleted all my social media accounts and my martial arts websites as I 'went into hibernation mode'. I had to re-learn how to do my job. 2 years ago at this time I was learning to sweep the floor and I had such a bad speech impediment it would take me 30 seconds to say the word 'toast' to a waitress. I had a food schedule provided for me because I was unable to make decisions.
Monday - 2 pieces of toast with peanut butter... that's your 1 meal of the day
Tuesday - instant oatmeal - that's your 1 meal of the day
Wednesday - 2 boiled eggs... if there's more than 1 pot on the stove always use the 1 on the right.
in between meals I slept the majority of the day (par for the course with a severe concussion)
if there was more that 1 flavor of instant oatmeal... uh-oh... I have to make a choice? Back to bed without eating because the idea of making a decision wiped out my energy reserves... I'll try eating again tomorrow - nothing today. That phase lasted about 3 months at its worst point.

I had to join a brain injury support group and got to know people that had been suffering from severe concussions for years - a severe one can be quite life altering. I also witnessed the changes in a few people who began to microdose (such a small amount that its effects are imperceptible). For 1 woman I could see how her speech changed after the first microdose. Over the weeks I saw her condition improve... someone that had been 'stagnant' in her recovery for a few years. After 6 months she was back to work as a writer. I also witnessed someone who had been on anti-depressants for many years ween themselves off of it gradually for 3 months, then continue to microdose for a year. They have not used it since the first year's completion, neither the antidepressants nor the microdose. The list goes on.

So for anyone that thinks a discussion about microdosing is about 'getting high as balls' it's a shame - I was hoping to have an engaging thread with people interested in learning more. This is not an attack. We stand for what we believe, and we believe based on experience so it's all good. I put this out there hoping that if someone has or knows someone suffering from concussion, abi (acquired brain injury - stroke) or tbi (traumatic brain injury - some external trauma) that they would look into this as an option - it's legal in some states and is a recognized form of therapy.

It causes neurogenesis (formation of new neuropathways) and is an excellent medicine for people suffering some sort of neuropathway loss. I've read that it's also being studied for people with various forms of dementia.

If you go to maps.org website you can find tons of information on studies related to the use of psychedelics as a medicine and in fact they are now in human trials (after years of phase1, phase 2, phase 3 testing and approvals) for being recognized as an effective means for people with severe, chronic ptsd.
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