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What happened to RSF

Postby yusuf on Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:23 pm

Hello all
H happened, it looks so quiet in here. Thought the next generation would have picked it up and carried on the sharing?

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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby GrahamB on Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:46 pm

We've taken the precaution of using forum software so old and clunky that it's pretty much impossible for new people to sign up.

Keeps the riff raff out.
I could be wrong.
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Trip on Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:38 pm

What happened to RSF


Competition

Many young Martial Artist these days have their own channels that they have to fill with programming.

And then there’s Facebook, where you can post and say things to a much wider audience.
They gotta get those likes!

Plus, a Facebook audience has softer quality control.
Meaning you can get away with saying the stupidest ish
than you can say here.

Most of the old timers here
have actually put in time with their arts
and have a very very critical eye.

Someone says some Ish here
& Someone is gonna set you straight.

I ain't saying no names:
Wayne Hansen
John Wang
Tom
BHassler
Steve James
Ian C.
Etc.
Oh, and almost forgot Wayne Hansen & John Wang
But, like I said I won't mention names.

Just saying Don't bring that fake Ish here! :)
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:11 am

I give up lsh?
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Trip on Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:40 am

wayne hansen wrote:I give up lsh?


My bad sir. I am around a lot of teenagers and have picked up some of their slang.

Ish
1. Statements or beliefs that are untrue or make no sense
2. Obscene word for unacceptable behavior

rubbish, nonsense, gibberish,
unsatisfactory, very poor, abysmal, inferior, inadequate, second-rate, third-rate

slang for shit or bullshit

Translation:
Many young Martial Artist these days have their own channels that they have to fill with programming.

And then there’s Facebook, where you can post and say things to a much wider audience.
They gotta get those likes!

Plus, a Facebook audience has softer quality control.
Meaning you can get away with saying the stupidest untrue stuff about Internal Arts there
than you can say here.

Most of the old timers here
have actually put in time with their arts
and have a very very critical eye.

Someone says some misleading or deceptive BS about IMA here
& it's likely someone is gonna set you straight.


Like Wayne Hansen
But I won't mention names :)
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Doc Stier on Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:45 am

Unlike most of the oldtimers who post on RSF, many posters in Facebook groups and on other social media platforms are oftentimes apparently offering personal opinions based solely on hypothetical, intellectual conjecture, rather than comments based upon experiential learning and understanding. :-\
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Tom on Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:57 am

yusuf wrote:Hello all
H happened, it looks so quiet in here. Thought the next generation would have picked it up and carried on the sharing?

Cheers


Yusuf


Entropy, my dear sir. Inevitable . . . especially when the likes of you and Martin leave the bohemian for the bourgeois and respectable. Where are the rabble-rouser experimenter cross-dressing er cross-training role models for the next generations? ;)

I think there is a bit of truth to all the responses so far . . . with the exception that it is not hard to register and new members register every month. We do have to sift through thousands of faux-registrations from Russian and Chinese bots for every real registrant, but we deal with it. The phpBB software works well enough when the wizard behind the curtain has the time to tinker with it. But it's true that a 14-year-old is ancient in terms of software. phpBB continues to update its platform versions. Shifting over to an updated phpBB or another platform does not seem to be a high priority for the folks who keep this place going. -shrug-

But I think what you are asking about is the attitude towards civil and open sharing of information and insights on training. Back in the early days of RSF, eF (RIP) and the discussion threads on DDV's personal website (ca. 1998/99), the forum was a place for the kind of conviviality and chat that the later social-media giants were built on. That aspect, together with the availability of information and insights from actual practitioners of the CIMAs that was not widely available, definitely drew me in.

However, one must be wary of the potential for self-deception inherent in nostalgia. Even in the Very Early Days of Internet Yore, we were plagued with trolls and Internet warriors. The Ban Hammer was celebrated and those who wielded it lauded in eF and RSF. But standards for membership were neither clear nor consistently applied (a very human shortcoming). The epithet of "NEWB!" was liberally and frequently applied . . . forgetting too often that everyone coming into these arts is a newcomer at some point.

Mindsuck, er Facebook, clumsy and privacy-draining as it may be, reaches more than two billion people, and allows anyone to set up their own little fiefdom and determine who is allowed in or flush those whose opinions offend the administrator. FB groups can be "Private" or "Secret." All of this is paid for by ads, but the algorithm-amplified polarisation and social fragmentation is free of charge. RSF, by considered and deliberate choice, is open for the entire Internet to see and is ad-free. WYSIWYG.

There is nothing to prevent civil and open sharing of information and insights, or honest and civil critique of what is shared--except the character of the poster. That has always been the case, ever since DDV began hosting discussion threads on his personal website back in 1998/99. The rise of MMA, the chicanery of silk-pyjamaed "masters" who never spar, the inevitable misunderstanding of abstruse terminology enshrouded in mysticism, the embrace of scientism and cynicism . . . none of this prevents the kind of civil, open exchange and learning that you ask about--except the character of forum participants. That such civil, open exchange about martial arts seems rare in the current forum if you have not been here for several years may be due as much to the nostalgia-tinted lens of memory and the social-media-driven riotous volcanos of distraction in Off-Topic threads as it is to any reduction in actual exchanges about martial arts skills.

This topic recurs in some form every few years. Ultimately the answer is the same: RSF is free. People are free to read, or read and participate in the discussion, or ignore RSF entirely. Newcomers to the Chinese internal arts are welcome. WYSIWYG.

I've been chasing pearls of jibengong and insight in these arts for 20+ years now. Perpetual newb that I am, I still learn things of value from discussions here.

Cheers.
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Kelley Graham on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:38 am

No ads, no algorithm, searchable archive. = superior social content platform. If it’s not broke, why fix it. Bells and whistles distract. In a few more years, Facebook and Twitter will in the dustbin, nothing more than trolls and billboards. Already, bots are speaking to bots more than people. RSF will still be here.
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Tom on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:48 am

Kelley Graham wrote: . . . In a few more years, Facebook and Twitter will in the dustbin, nothing more than trolls and billboards. Already, bots are speaking to bots more than people. RSF will still be here.


Indeed, RSF does resemble The Shire at times. 8-)
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Tom on Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:33 pm

I don’t think RSF has changed that much over the years. People postin here certainly have. Perhaps a better question is, “What happened to Yusuf?”
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby gzregorz on Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 pm

For me, I just realized I have better things to do with my time and shut down all my social media accounts.

I still respect RSF since it doesn't sell the users data so occasionally pop in to see what's up.

But beyond that I just realized that the less I am on my phone the happier I am.

I fully admit I am easily triggered. So why go online?
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby Giles on Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:37 pm

Thanks for your thoughts all, especially Tom and Kelley as people who keep this site up and running.
As a maybe 'middle-period' participant in RSF I can say I have valued and enjoyed and learned from, occasionally inspired by, or at least been engaged by, lots of CMA-related and off-topic stuff on this site, whether I actively participated in threads or not. For me, the best approach is not to take it too seriously (or at least to try not to) and at the same time to extract the really good things that keep rising to the surface. (Although a lot of marsh gas bubbles also rise to the surface from time to time ;D )
There are a significant number of people on RSF with both experience and intelligence, plus a more or less congenial personality, which is far from being a given in almost any field of (martial arts) internet exchange.
So thank you.
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby gzregorz on Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:34 pm

Agreed!

I also owe a lot of this board and the different incarnations of this board.

The training I received In China was a direct result of these communities.

I don't train as much as I used to (in part) due to the high cost of living but I still use my martial arts regularly and the principles since my job is very physical.

I also teach power to younger family members who compete in MT with great success. So all is well.

Happy to see this place still here.

The changes and loss of talent here are just one of a hundred reasons to hate FB.
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Re: What happened to RSF

Postby yusuf on Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:59 am

Tom wrote:I don’t think RSF has changed that much over the years. People postin here certainly have. Perhaps a better question is, “What happened to Yusuf?”



Lol, life


Thanks for the answers all.. perhaps it’s time to start posting again.. maybe some insights of why actually training rather than talking is good, some videos and perhaps a bit of of the filipino blade work..

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