Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:27 pm

Bao wrote:China must act in its best interests. This means having a good relationship with the Talibans. There are still camps, originally set-up by the USA in the northern parts of Afghanistan, to train Uighur terrorists. The Talibans have always been against ISIS terrorists and did in fact try to support the USA to catch Usama Bin Laden. But China needs to know that the Talibans will make this fight a priority and help them to secure the borders.

And the Talibans know they can get some kind of support from China if they "play fair" and do what they already have promised. But who knows what will happen next?


covers some of what's been mentioned spanning different administrations


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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:56 am

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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:43 am

prescient warning

Jack Keen , retired four-star general then warned that Al Qaeda could set up safe havens if the U.S. completely leaves Afghanistan. “Al Qaeda did the same prior to the 9-11 attack. [They bombed] Two embassies in Africa and the U.S.S. Cole. If we had destroyed the Al Qaeda safe haven in Afghanistan, there wouldn’t have been a 9-11. Safe havens are critical to the radical Islamist movement.

“The president mentioned it himself. The reason why we’re in Syria, Iraq, Eastern Africa is to prevent those organizations, radical Islamists, from having what? A safe haven from which to attack the United States.

This is a multi-generational war. That is why we’re still doing that.

to walk away from Afghanistan and say this is not a multi-generational conflict is to ignore the reality of what is taking place.



“What happens on September 12?” asked MacCallum, referring to the day after the last American forces are scheduled to leave the country.

That government is going to be undermined and so will the ANSF [Afghan National Security Forces], a civil war will break out and [there is] a very real possibility of the Taliban of taking over,” Keane answered, “and certainly it is fertile opportunity for Al Qaeda to re-establish their safe haven once again.”
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:02 am

Yup. Ya can't negotiate with terrorists, who'll provide safe havens for other terrorists, and who'll mandate sharia law. That is, unless they're the real government. Then, we can even sell them arms, like Saudi Arabia --where the 9-11 bombers and Osama Bin Laden came from --and we killed Bin Laden in Pakistan.

"We can't keep fighting endless wars," but "we can't stop fighting the war on terrorism." Maybe we should have kept the Taliban fighters imprisoned instead of negotiating to let 5000 free, and demanding Pakistan release the guy who's going to be president --and a deal without input from the elected government. Just saying. Yeah, the Taliban released all the Al Qaeda prisoners, and are surely looking for everyone they consider "collaborators."

Anyway, I thought the other guy ran on a platform of leaving Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Oh well, if Biden decides to re-engage in a war with the Taliban, he'll be called a war monger. If not, he'll be called weak or friendly to terrorists; a weak warmonger who won't do anything. If the other guy was in charge, it'd be differ .... Oh, that's right, the Taliban have been fighting, blowing up stuff, and other terroristic activities for the last 20 years. Damn, that gets back to why the other guy let them go --even those accused of killing Americans. Ah, Google is great.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:47 am

Damn, that gets back to why the other guy let them go --even those accused of killing Americans. Ah, Google is great.



Highlighting a small part of a larger plan with a conditions based objective.

Something wrong with that?


Or is it better to have a plan, unconditional, based on a date of departure
as now?


Meanwhile the shit show continues.

Maj. Gen. Christopher Donahue has told his British Army counterpart, a high-ranking field-grade officer of the British army's 22nd Special Air Service Regiment, that British operations were embarrassing the United States military in the absence of similar U.S. military operations.

I understand that the British officer firmly rejected the request.


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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby yeniseri on Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:22 am

Steve James wrote:Yup. Ya can't negotiate with terrorists

This is a downright lie and it is often repeated so people believe it. Remember!
1. The Guns for Drugs fiasco. Selling arms to Khomeini (the Head Terrorist in CHief! remember him) to fund US Central American takeover(s)! That triggered the current impetus Central AMerican illegal immigration yet we all pretend it just started.
2. Nixon's conspiring with Communist leader to keep captured US America in prision (Vietnam) until he won re-election. I am incapable of making this up!
3. Trump's Doha Agreement and Pompeo. These Taliban seem kinder and gentler. WTF.
I am being clever by leaving out the fact that there is a thread to these actions..Nixon..Trump..Reagan but it b as it b

The "We don't deal with terrorists" meme is for the gullible public and it is used to deceive and manipulate sentiment where needed. It al has to do with self interest and to hell with the public.

Steve James wrote:"We can't keep fighting endless wars," but "we can't stop fighting the war on terrorism. Ah, Google is great.

We don't have to call it terrorism. Call it keeping the peace! US has over 150,000 soldiers keeping the peace in Europe and Asia.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:33 am

. We don't have to call it terrorism. Call it keeping the peace! US has over 150,000 soldiers keeping the peace in Europe and Asia.


Those who have served know this, many having lived it.

In Korea, we “2ID” were often referred to as the trip wire
Understanding that some 30k soldiers, were not enough to prevent anything except to provide the impetus, and a little reaction time for forces in the US should anything happen.

Completely don’t understand giving up ground to an area that essentially has no other point from which to do anything from. At the very least they should’ve maintained the air base, making it base of operations as long as needed.

Very bad when you get a mix of incompetent political leader ship coupled to weak military leader ship
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:35 am

Been negotiating with terrorists for a long, long time. The British negotiated with us. We just like to call people terrorists so that we don't have to negotiate with them. When we do, they're not terrorists any more. The Taliban are already the government of Afghanistan, and so aren't "terrorists" any more. In fact, they'll call the Afghan resistance fighters "terrorists" (including the mujahadeen who've never stopped fighting the Taliban).

USAmericans are not in a position to determine who's a terrorist and who's not, even in their own country.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:52 am

Steve James wrote:Been negotiating with terrorists for a long, long time. The British negotiated with us. We just like to call people terrorists so that we don't have to negotiate with them. When we do, they're not terrorists any more. The Taliban are already the government of Afghanistan, and so aren't "terrorists" any more. In fact, they'll call the Afghan resistance fighters "terrorists" (including the mujahadeen who've never stopped fighting the Taliban).

USAmericans are not in a position to determine who's a terrorist and who's not, even in their own country.



They were always terrorist, make no mistake about it. The negotiations were done reflecting realities on the ground attempting to build a coalition government going forward, allowing them to work it out if they could.

All of which has nothing to do with the shit show happening now.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:59 am

. Breaking: The Taliban have attacked district of Andarab again to seek revenge. A local told me: "the war is going on in earnest, that People Resistance group now have the strategic points, but the Taliban had taken their children and women hostage and demand fathers to surrender"


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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:08 am

The negotiations were done reflecting realities on the ground attempting to build a coalition government going forward, allowing them to work it out if they could.


You can't have a "coalition" when only one side is represented in any "agreement." In effect, it was outright capitulation "reflecting realities on the ground" that had existed for 18 years. He gave in to the Taliban because he didn't negotiate with anyone else. The exact title was:

Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America
February 29, 2020


The agreement states several guarantees. But, which party to the agreement has broken the agreement?
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:12 am

windwalker wrote:
. Breaking: The Taliban have attacked district of Andarab again to seek revenge. A local told me: "the war is going on in earnest, that People Resistance group now have the strategic points, but the Taliban had taken their children and women hostage and demand fathers to surrender"


No worries.
According some It’s your new government at work.


You seem to think the Taliban is our new government :). But, again, who broke the agreement? Who negotiated with them?
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:22 am

Steve James wrote:
The negotiations were done reflecting realities on the ground attempting to build a coalition government going forward, allowing them to work it out if they could.


You can't have a "coalition" when only one side is represented in any "agreement." In effect, it was outright capitulation "reflecting realities on the ground" that had existed for 18 years. He gave in to the Taliban because he didn't negotiate with anyone else. The exact title was:

Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America
February 29, 2020


The agreement states several guarantees. But, which party to the agreement has broken the agreement?



Some may not understand the idea of intent

Seems to have left out some parts.

will start intra-Afghan negotiations with Afghan sides on March 10, 2020,




The present administration by not abiding / enforcement of the agreements nullified it putting itself in the position it’s in now .
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:33 am

The present administration by not abiding / enforcement of the agreements nullified it putting itself in the position it’s in now.


But, you mean the Taliban followed the agreement and we didn't? Whose side are you on? You just posted how the Taliban were still attacking.

Oh well, like I said, the agreement was with the Taliban, "the Islamic emirate," not with the elected government. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload ... .29.20.pdf

I searched for references to equipment that might be left. The Taliban didn't agree to give anything back. And, even if they did, why would they?
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:43 am

Steve James wrote:
windwalker wrote:
. Breaking: The Taliban have attacked district of Andarab again to seek revenge. A local told me: "the war is going on in earnest, that People Resistance group now have the strategic points, but the Taliban had taken their children and women hostage and demand fathers to surrender"


No worries.
According some It’s your new government at work.


You seem to think the Taliban is our new government :). But, again, who broke the agreement? Who negotiated with them?


Maybe your new government

Not mine.

Not the one l and others swore an oath to defend.

read the agreement, try to understand why such an agreement would be made between the parties involved based on the obvious realities on the ground. Who Who else would it be made with?



None of which has any bearing on the decisions made by the present administration.
Who by not enforcing or continuing with the agreement are facing a situation they’ve caused in the absence of.

leaving was conditionally based, hard to say what would’ve happened.
Many speculating a small correlation of forces would’ve been left at the airbase , based on remaining conditions.

The execution and implementation what’s happening now.
Not even following basic military protocols , denying equipment or tactical positions to an enemy when leaving.
Some talk some of the equipment and bases being Destroyed and bases made unusable.

A little late to close the door, after the horse has left the barn.
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