Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:13 am

That's why the RNC took down its pages congratulating Trump for the Talibán deal. And, the man himself has scrubbed references to it from his old Twitter feed.

It doesn't matter, though. Their bullshit is see-through. The pretense of caring about Afghanistan is typical. They'll lie to your face, and their sheeple will swear to it.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:03 am

Lots of “trump” shit posted that has nothing to do with what’s happening now, decisions made, actions carried out, implementation without a plan.

Anyone that’s been in the military, knows what’s happening now is not the way the military operates, plans, or carries out
Missions.

Much of what’s happening doesn’t make any sense militarily.
Typically only happens with weak leader ship from the top down to weak generals, not making their concerns known or presenting a comprehensive plan addressing all concerns while meeting objectives.

An Active plan instead of reactive, as what’s happening now.

Unfortunately the US has gone through this cycle before.

The “deal” the US had made in the prior administration was in recognition of existing realities that had always been there ignored.

An attempt at building a coalition organization with the Taliban, the true Organization in charge and the existing organization put in place by external means. Allowing them to work it out, providing a framework that would allow the US to possibly leave, although they probably would’ve left A small special operations unit and maintained control of the airbase as part of any agreement

It will be interesting watching China, move in. Not constrained with the idea of nation building, based on military, and national objectives beneficial to both parties.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:40 am

Yeah, Trump has nothing to do with what's happening on the ground. But, it's worth mentioning that Pompeo now calling the Taliban "terrorists" after negotiating with them for the US to leave 3 months ago. It is relevant when FOX & Friends, Greene and others call for Biden to resign. It's relevant because Biden didn't meet with the Taliban to free their imprisoned leaders. The guy Pompeo negotiated with is now the head of Afghanistan.

There was no way for the US to leave in May that the Taliban would not have sought revenge on the Afghans who helped our forces there. If Trump/Pompeo had a plan for rescuing or evacuating them, they'd just explain how they planned to do it, or that they'd even considered it. However, what I complained about is that they have removed all mention of the deal from their websites. Why?

The “deal” the US had made in the prior administration was in recognition of existing realities that had always been there ignored.


See, that's the typical bullshit. I.e., his "deal" was somehow in recognition of realities. Right. That meant dealing ONLY with the Taliban Terrorists and NOT with the elected government of Afghanistan. Then, ok, what is the reality then that isn't the reality now? The Trump deal was with the Taliban, for a May takeover. It's August. That's the illogic. What are the people who thought the Trump deal was any good complaining about exactly? It ain't about the hardship on the Afghans.

Needless to say, more bullshit will come, and people who know better won't say shit. Some are actually calling for a return to Afghanistan. Many are saying that we shouldn't accept Afghan refugees. They need to be vetted, true. Military :) Talk to someone who fought with an interpreter and ask them. I know a few. And, btw, there are other countries who used interpreters who are also trying to get them out. Australia and the Netherlands are two I can think of offhand. But, Google is free.

I don't really care about blaming Trump at all. But, he's just managed to lose more US lives than any other president, but he won't take responsibility. However, we had 3 years of investigations on Benghazi and Hillary's emails, when 4 people lost their lives. So, far, how many US casualties during this evacuation after the attack by the Taliban? Nobody's even fuckin' asked because they're too busy licking the crap off Trump's behind like it's chocolate ice cream.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:55 am

Nobody's even fuckin' asked because they're too busy licking the crap off Trump's behind like it's chocolate ice cream.


Look in a mirror sometime.

Start out by mentioning it’s not about Trump, and then go into a tirade of why it is.

The present administration could’ve implemented the plan or developed their own plan based off of it, or even not do anything.


As has been pointed out there were many policies implemented by the last administration that were disregard or changed.
All of which has nothing to do with what’s going on now.

With the exception that a decision was made, based on ?

Same shit they did in Vietnam, same result
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:25 am

In modern militaries a lot of synergy between support operations and the tip of the spear.
Once support operations have been cut or stopped, the ability of a military depending on high tech equipment has been neutralized.

Having trained to depend on it, integrated into their operations, are unable to continue without it.

Expecting a force trained by the US to operate with the expectation of having the ability to access or use of it and then being denied it’s use .

In most cases, those depending on it understanding this have lost any functionality that would be expected of them.

A disservice done, compounded by the US government insisting that they didn’t fight.
When they couldn’t
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:16 am

Just look what FOX Business showed while Trump was talking with Bartiromo.
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More urine that they'll claim is raindrops and shit they'll say is chocolate ice cream. And, the problem is that it'll be justified, and then the gullible will swallow it, swear to it, and support it.

It is what it is.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby wiesiek on Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:30 am

and question:
who pull out money, from this hot Afghani potatoes?
Small example:
each day, thousands of meals was served for the troops and personnel, even if we counting $1 profit from one dish, 20 years making nice green pillow. Who is the owner of catering company?
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:23 am

. British para troopers are driving through the streets of Kabul to rescue nationals, but Americans have again been told they’re on their own

Reports have surfaced that British and American forces are unhappy with each other at Kabul airport, as UK Military commanders are overseeing rescue missions into the city itself, while US commanders are sitting tight, leaving US nationals to fend for themselves.

Thousands of Americans trapped in the city were again advised by the US embassy that it cannot protect them if they attempt to get to the airport, and even if they make it, they might not be able to get on a plane out of there

https://yournews.com/2021/08/19/2203792 ... nistan-as/

British, doing what should be done,

US, not

Don’t understand how after 20 or so years of being there, the US does not understand how many American citizens are in country.

There was or is no NEO set up.


Non Combatant Evacuation is a standard U.S. response to hostilities and natural disasters which might endanger our citizens. One of the primary goals of NEO training is to ensure we can do this task successfully …


When nothing is happening

U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan
https://af.usembassy.gov
The mission of the United States Embassy is to advance the interests of the United States, and to serve and protect U.S. citizens in Afghanistan.


When shit hits the fan


Location: Kabul Event: The security situation in Kabul continues to change quickly, including at the airport. U.S. citizens should continue to shelter in place. U.S.…


https://af.usembassy.gov/security-alert ... t-16-2021/
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Bao on Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:47 am

Very good sum up of the situation in Afghanistan and the 40 year old failure of the US. And with a good message - war leads nowhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmET2-j9Mg

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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:43 am

Ah, now it's concerned for Americans. Fair enough. But, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, have all sent troops to help evacuating their citizens Now. The US sent 3000 troops to help the evacuation almost two weeks ago --and is sending 1000 more.

Afa US citizens being told that they're on their own, I doubt that. If any American were in Kabul today, I don't think it'd be wise to walk the streets to make it the embassy, or to the airport. It is fairly disorderly and unsafe. In addition, the Taliban have been shooting at Afghan protesters, and have told people to stay of the streets. Anyway, Biden has stated that the troops will stay until all the Americans who want to leave have been evacuated. But, that's what anybody would have done.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-mi ... 533c33402d

Meanwhile, the former president of Afghanistan fled to the UAE, apparently with $175 million bucks. I bet some people will say he was smart. Wiesiek asked about where the money went. It seems no banks in Afghanistan have any money. Otoh, suddenly people are talking about the trillions of potential dollars in Afghan lithium deposits. And, there'll soon be renewals of concern about Muslims. Tucker doesn't want them coming here because he suggests they only get worse when they get here.

Now, afa China, it will certainly act in its best interests. It's not pro-terrorist, but it'll do business. Will it be able to affect the Taliban? Probably not directly, but the Taliban are fundamentalists who think they're following the word of God; they're not unintelligent. They know as long as they are only screwing over their own people/women, the world is not going to do much.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:22 am

Ah, now it's concerned for Americans. Fair enough.


Ah, now it’s back to mind reading. Amazing


Let’s start off with the basics.

How is it they don’t know how many US citizens in country.
Understanding it was a volatile place to begin with how is it they didn’t have any pre-planned evacuation plans.
The prior agreement made with US based on force.
A credible threat of having there own villages leveled As a basis of understanding prior to any agreements

Apparently it’s been changed to “ whatever”

Certainly not from a position of strategic strength.

To those who travel or live overseas for extended periods of times as I do.
Might be a point of interest, as to what’s going on now
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:47 am

Ah, now it’s back to mind reading. Amazing


Yeah, I made a mistake. I thought you were concerned about Americans. But, I'll go along with the gish gallup.

How is it they don’t know how many US citizens in country.


Git outa here. Who says they don't know how many are supposed to be there? And, having lived in several countries, the way it works is that you contact the embassy. The embassy might have no clue where you are.

Understanding it was a volatile place to begin with how is it they didn’t have any pre-planned evacuation plans.


Yeah, it's been a volatile place. You haven't asked which Americans are there or why. Kabul is not a tourist destination, and most Americans are there for specific reasons. But, Kabul only has one airport capable of landing large aircraft. Anyway, people have been leaving Afghanistan for a few weeks. The immediate problem is that the Taliban have bottlenecked everyone wanting to leave into that one airport. The pictures of people holding on to the outside of airplanes are of Afghans, not Americans, or Brits, Canadians, Australians, etc.

A credible threat of having there own villages leveled As a basis of understanding prior to any agreements


Hmm, I see you know a lot about the Taliban. But, I don't know that Taliban villages are a thing. The Taliban aren't an ethnic group like the Pashtoons, for ex. Shucks, why would it take 20 years to destroy all the Taliban villages? Why can't we just go back and bomb them now while they're as empty as they would have been anyway?

But, suppose we (#1 superpower) could just demolish the Taliban, why do it? Like you said, "they" are the power in "their" country. Why would we bomb them now? To help Americans to evacuate. I wouldn't worry that much. Even in the dumb comparison to the fall of Saigon, the fact is that it was always the Vietnamese who had problems. (That's why people without passports were throwing children over the embassy walls and onto helicopters with strangers. And, we took in 400K thousand Vietnamese refugees).
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby windwalker on Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:48 am

Afa US citizens being told that they're on their own, I doubt that


Unless there's some other info not posted or publicly available.

The official line


U.S. government-provided flights are departing. U.S. citizens, LPRs, and their spouses and unmarried children (under age 21) should consider travelling to Hamid Karzai International Airport.   You should plan to enter the airport at Camp Sullivan. From the HKIA Airport South Traffic Circle, head east for 1km and turn right on to Camp Sullivan.   Please note that gates may change frequently and that we will provide updates as necessary.


Do not call the U.S. Embassy in Kabul for details or updates about the flight.
Do not travel to the airport until you have been informed by email that departure options exist.
We will continue to provide periodic updates to this message.

https://af.usembassy.gov/security-alert ... t-18-2021/

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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Steve James on Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:53 am

Right. Shelter in place until we can tell you it's safe. If I were there, that's exactly what I'd do. Or, they could always grab an Uber. There are flights at the airport.

I remember Hamid Karzai. He was one sharp Afghan fashion plate.

Update on the Status of Hamid Karzai International Airport:

-In the last 24 hours: 2,000 people evacuated
-Since August 14th: 7,000 people evacuated
-Since the end of July: 12,000 evacuated

There are currently 5,200 troops on the ground and the airport is secure and open.
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Re: Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

Postby Bao on Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:30 pm

Steve James wrote:Now, afa China, it will certainly act in its best interests. It's not pro-terrorist, but it'll do business. Will it be able to affect the Taliban?


China must act in its best interests. This means having a good relationship with the Talibans. There are still camps, originally set-up by the USA in the northern parts of Afghanistan, to train Uighur terrorists. The Talibans have always been against ISIS terrorists and did in fact try to support the USA to catch Usama Bin Laden. But China needs to know that the Talibans will make this fight a priority and help them to secure the borders.

And the Talibans know they can get some kind of support from China if they "play fair" and do what they already have promised. But who knows what will happen next?
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