Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul (August 15, 2021)

[vadaga]

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2021/08/13/biden-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-added-to-list-of-great-us-military-victories-alongside-arming-bin-laden/

[windwalker]

In the 80s was part of the NEO “noncombatant emergency operations “ team for our unit.
in Korea

NONCOMBATANT EVACUATION OPERATIONS

NEO Frequently Asked Questions
1. What is a Non Combatant Evacuation?
Non Combatant Evacuation is a standard U.S. response to hostilities and natural disasters which might endanger our citizens. One of the primary goals of NEO training is to ensure we can do this task successfully under real-world circumstances.

2. Who is my NEO Warden?
Each unit has a designated NEO Warden. Please contact your chain of command to find out who is your NEO Warden. NEO Wardens are available to update your NEO packets, demonstrate use of the ICAPS mask and answer any questions you might have about a potential evacuation.

https://8tharmy.korea.army.mil/site/families/neo.asp

Each theater a little bit different set up due to uniqueness of theaters operations
designed with the same functionality, ensure the safety and evacuation of US citizens and personnel
who worked with US operations.

Would have expected it to be the same in this operation.

Aside from the embassy itself and its staff, also set up to take care of any US authorized citizen in country
Reports of many US citizens unable to reach evacuation points

The Taliban encircled the air port.

Doesn’t seem possible to have any type of military operation to retrieve the people directly.

[Steve James]

Right. As predicted: "Fox News Laura Ingraham says Biden better not bring any Afghan refugees fleeing the Taliban to the US"
https://www.rawstory.com/afghanistan-fo ... -ingraham/

"Is it really our responsibility to welcome thousands of un-vetted refugees from Afghanistan?" she asked."

[windwalker]

Right. As predicted: "Fox News Laura Ingraham says Biden better not bring any Afghan refugees fleeing the Taliban to the US"
https://www.rawstory.com/afghanistan-fo ... -ingraham/

"Is it really our responsibility to welcome thousands of un-vetted refugees from Afghanistan?" she asked."

Doesn’t mean they can’t be brought any place else, and vetted in one of the regional countries there.
There is the security risk / threat by the inability to vet the people being brought in.

The Taliban, like or not
Were always the unofficial, now official organization in charge.
They will not allow “their” citizens to leave.

[meeks]

It bullshit Biden inherited this from Trump. Biden since day one as president was reversing trump polices like the border, Paris climate agreement, Iran deals, pipeline agreements, and many many more "deals" and presidential orders. The Trump "peace agreement" laid down a timeline without chaos and mayhem, but if all the liberal Democrats didn't have severe Trump deranged syndrome, they would have been better prepared and given Afghan force logistics and air support, but the afghan forces mentally lost. So it is owned by Biden the beheadings and rapes of Afghan people that is being reported.

Remember Trump wasnt even in politics when we first went into Afghanistan, Biden is a life long 50 year politican.... a senile, frail, and weak one. I feel sorry for South korea, Taiwan, Phillipines and other allies in the region. No confidence.

Predicton: Watch Russia just walk in Ukraine and China take over Taiwan and Biden do nothing.

oh this is a good read... so by your logic, since Biden has been a politician for 50 years it must have been HIS fault that GW Bush took the US into a reign of terror in the middle east.

It bullshit Biden inherited this from Trump.

so you're ignoring the fact that Trump drew up the agreement for US withdrawal, freed the man from lockup that is now running things (1 of 2 people that started the Taliban) and signed the deal with that very person who is now orchestrating the 'take back' while US withdraws as per the agreement with Trump? We can see your MAGA hat from here...

Paris climate agreement

putting us back into an agreement that hopefully has a positive impact is not a bad thing, other than the fact that US corporations may lose some of their billions in profits because they have to pay to clean up the negative impact they have on the environment.

The Trump "peace agreement" laid down a timeline without chaos and mayhem

Did it specifically say "we agree to retake Afghanistan cities without chaos and mayhem" in it? or are you just throwing shit out in hopes that it sticks to the wall again?

[Rhen]

oh this is a good read... so by your logic, since Biden has been a politician for 50 years it must have been HIS fault that GW Bush took the US into a reign of terror in the middle east.

Trump never wanted USA to go into Iraq after 9/11, Bin laden wasn't there.

It bullshit Biden inherited this from Trump.

so you're ignoring the fact that Trump drew up the agreement for US withdrawal, freed the man from lockup that is now running things (1 of 2 people that started the Taliban) and signed the deal with that very person who is now orchestrating the 'take back' while US withdraws as per the agreement with Trump? We can see your MAGA hat from here...

Trump was making many peace deals in Middle east with many countries to stop the endless wars.

Paris climate agreement

putting us back into an agreement that hopefully has a positive impact is not a bad thing, other than the fact that US corporations may lose some of their billions in profits because they have to pay to clean up the negative impact they have on the environment.

other countries have to do their part, America is pretty clean place. China, India, Pakistan and other countries need to clean up their air, water, etc.



Again that was Bush and Democrats starting shit. For example Benghazi in Libya as a point for weapons to try to overthrow the regime in Syria, so that was a Obama and Killary Hillary thing. USA saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was a big deep state lie.

not a fanboy of trump either, I try to see all sides and angles.

[Steve James]

Doesn’t mean they can’t be brought any place else, and vetted in one of the regional countries there.
There is the security risk / threat by the inability to vet the people being brought in.

The Taliban, like or not
Were always the unofficial, now official organization in charge.
They will not allow “their” citizens to leave.

Well, actually, the US (but I'll say Biden) has made agreements with several countries (including Albania and Kosovo, and a Gulf State country I can't recall whether it was the UAE or not). These countries have agreed to house the refugees temporarily, --while they are vetted-- but only until they get visas to immigrate.

If the argument was that "now who's going to trust the US," then abandoning and not accepting refugees who helped us is way worse than leaving. We already did that with the Kurds. The pictures coming out of Kabul look like the pictures of Saigon because the Afghan army didn't fire a shot to prevent the Taliban from taking the capitol. Yep. ​As you point out, like it or not, the Taliban were going to do what they are going to do. The US forced them out of power, but they live there and we don't. We put in --allowed them to elect-- a new government.

Anyway, as I said, the hypocrisy is the pretense of caring about the Afghans, and really caring about blaming Biden for what's happening to them. See. It shows why we were so wrong to be there. Letting their leaders go back in September sure didn't help, since they were promised we'd leave by May. I suppose we'd have taken them in then. Naw.

I think it's obviously our responsibility, but I don't think it's only our responsibility. And, now, the mission would have to change to defeating the Taliban. The US can't do it alone, and can only pay Afghan people willing to risk their lives to help. China has been meeting with the Taliban.

[Steve James]

Mike Pompeo on troop withdrawals last month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svFewWRSBM0

[Ian C. Kuzushi]

It bullshit Biden inherited this from Trump. Biden since day one as president was reversing trump polices like the border, Paris climate agreement, Iran deals, pipeline agreements, and many many more "deals" and presidential orders. The Trump "peace agreement" laid down a timeline without chaos and mayhem, but if all the liberal Democrats didn't have severe Trump deranged syndrome, they would have been better prepared and given Afghan force logistics and air support, but the afghan forces mentally lost. So it is owned by Biden the beheadings and rapes of Afghan people that is being reported.

Remember Trump wasnt even in politics when we first went into Afghanistan, Biden is a life long 50 year politican.... a senile, frail, and weak one. I feel sorry for South korea, Taiwan, Phillipines and other allies in the region. No confidence.

Predicton: Watch Russia just walk in Ukraine and China take over Taiwan and Biden do nothing.

This is a very confused post.

[origami_itto]

The Trump peace agreement was let all the Taliban out of prison and peace the fuck out in May. I don't get all these people that think taking another six months to accomplish it is somehow worse.

[windwalker]

The Trump peace agreement was let all the Taliban out of prison and peace the fuck out in May. I don't get all these people that think taking another six months to accomplish it is somehow worse.

Deals are made, bargaining chips used, a way of ensuring conditionality..

Afghanistan’s “Fighting Season”
Since the United States first foray into Afghanistan, the idea of the so-called “fighting season” has been well established. The fighting season is the term used to describe the seasonality in armed offensives by different militant groups, and in particular, the Taliban. The Taliban’s annual Spring offensive, often actually announced in statements, comes with an escalation of violence around Afghanistan.

Here, Figure 5 shows the daily fatality data from Afghanistan broken down into its individual components: trend, weekly seasonality, and yearly seasonality. The ‘yearly’ component shows strong evidence of seasonality, with the fatality numbers increasing during the spring and summer seasons, then decreasing during the winter. The frequency of fatalities from armed clashes between Afghan security forces and militia groups clearly varies in a seasonal pattern, and strongly corresponds with the historic fighting season.

https://medium.com/@rikimatsumoto/afgha ... 47b0fa9147

It is interesting, also understandable...
The US could have waited until the winter, taking all of the advantages it could.

Giving up Bagram air base, to me a mistake....seems like it would have been better to keep a. small special operations unit active there.
Making it known what would happen should it come under fire directly...

[origami_itto]

remember january, as Trump was slithering out of the white house, defeated? Remember how he left 2500 troops in Afghanistan?
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-do ... 12ad0d215a

Remember when Trump pressured the Afhgan government to release 5000 Taliban fighters?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afgh ... SKCN25507I

I ask again, how many more American lives, dollars, and years, would you want to spend fighting in Afghanistan? To what end?

[windwalker]

remember january, as Trump was slithering out of the white house, defeated? Remember how he left 2500 troops in Afghanistan?
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-do ... 12ad0d215a

Remember when Trump pressured the Afhgan government to release 5000 Taliban fighters?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afgh ... SKCN25507I

I ask again, how many more American lives, dollars, and years, would you want to spend fighting in Afghanistan? To what end?

Answers only make sense to those asking informed questions.

KABUL (Reuters) - The Afghan government agreed on Sunday to release 400 “hard-core” Taliban prisoners, paving the way for peace talks aimed at ending almost two decades of war.

"Deals are made, bargaining chips used, a way of ensuring conditionality..

[origami_itto]

You have to read past the first paragraph.

With the release, the Afghan government will fulfil its pledge to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners.

[yeniseri]

This deliberate attempt to deceive the American people is working so well that those who speak the truth are the ones attacked just for righting the narrative.
1. Trump administration with Pompey (part of the tag team approach!) met with the current leader of the Taliban (Baradar) and signed the Doha Agreement
Link 1: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... d-n1051211
Link 2: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/politics ... index.html

2. When the Taliban was in Texas to negotiate a pipeline with the Bush family, the Taliban refused access and that is why US went into Afghanistan and stayed.
Link 1: https://mapcruzin.com/news/war111901a.htm
Link 2: http://www.islandbreath.org/2004Year/04 ... ndeal.html

Here is a timeline of events until today of Trump's escalation and attempt to bring 'terrorists' to the political table. This has helped the Taliban to seek visibility using Trunmpian strategy and the politics of marketing, visibility and use of media to stage events. Taliban have learned well from US behaviours:
Link 1: https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/the-tali ... 390291.htm