Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby everything on Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:45 am

hmm..... so we can be idiotic and not self-aware about our idiocy to the extent we can get away with it (herman cain award subreddit may disagree about the vaccine ignorance case).

that seems like a good corollary to the law (not sure what the law says).
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby Steve James on Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:26 pm

“A little learning is a dangerous thing.” Alexander Pope's "An Essay on Criticism," 1709.
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby everything on Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:32 pm

300 years old yet apt for the 21st century internet
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby everything on Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:48 pm

Ignorance of our own ignorance is a good way to put it.

I’ll stay willfully ignorant about the effect not being real.

Social science is difficult, though. It’s not exactly “hard science”.
Maybe better studies can be done.
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby Bao on Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:02 am

LaoDan wrote:I see many instances of individuals being overconfident in their knowledge, skills and opinions. Of course, this can vary with different subjects and various groups, but it does seem to be intuitively correct that many people have biases (e.g., ego) that lead them to overestimate themselves. One simple example is that ~88% of Americans think that they are above average drivers (although I do not know if their self-evaluations match the D-K curve profile). Some factors (psychology?, culture?, ego?…) contribute to that misrepresentation.


Most people believe that they are above and better than the general population. It would be interesting to teach people about this and make them aware that they are probably one of those as well.

It's fascinating to come from a country where there is a tradition of following the crowd, not stick out from the crowd and where people will try to put you down if you succeed with something. The average Joe mentality. And still, everyone believe that they are at least slightly better than the other.

Btw, there's a type of criminal, especially the narcissistic, sociopath type of criminal, who tend to believe they are a lot smarter than everyone else. They often get caught as they don't understand and underestimate other people's intelligence. Also an interesting phenomena, IMO.
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby Steve James on Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:38 am

Of course, anytime people are talking about the intelligence of others, they're already assuming they're smarter. At least, that they have the ability to analyze them. But, most everyone does it anyway.

Btw, there's a type of criminal, especially the narcissistic, sociopath type of criminal, who tend to believe they are a lot smarter than everyone else. They often get caught as they don't understand and underestimate other people's intelligence. Also an interesting phenomena, IMO.


It's not just criminals. It's also evident when people just try to fool others or lie. They don't realize that people are smarter than they are. Really smart criminals, otoh, take advantage of the gullibility of others. Take the Sackler family and the opioid crisis. Now, you could say that they were sociopathic --and totally without empathy for their victims. But, they're not stupid.
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby oragami_itto on Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:55 am

There's also the "Curse of Knowledge" fallacy, where you know and understand something, so you assume others do too.
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby everything on Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:16 am

part of the problem is an assumption through school years of "general intelligence". sure we all know those people who really were better than everyone else in EVERY subject from K-12. but that doesn't go on forever. I wouldn't go see Einstein with medical or IMA or fitness or music or poetry problems/questions.
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby Steve James on Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:54 pm

"If people would only talk about what they understood, Earth would be a very quiet place."


A. Einstein :)
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby everything on Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:57 pm

we wouldn't be able to discuss anything here. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :P :P :P
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Re: Dunning Kruger effect test (on someone else)

Postby Steve James on Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:14 am

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