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Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby GrahamB on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:40 am

Latest podcast might be of interest to some of you - we even mention the B word - Brexit :)

https://anchor.fm/graham47/episodes/Ep- ... on-e1b3e46

My guest this episode is Rob Poyton a veteran of the UK Tai Chi and martial arts scene. These days Rob is a teacher of the Russian martial art of Systema, which he has been teaching in the UK since the early 2000s and has run workshops and seminars all over Europe. Rob is also a prolific author of Systema books and videos which you can get via his website Cutting Edge Systema which is found at systemauk.com

In this wide-ranging discussion we talk about what the UK Tai Chi scene was like back in the 80s and 90s, and the similarities and differences between Tai Chi and Systema. We even get into a bit of politics, and talk about Rob’s experiences as a professional musician and his sideline as a horror fiction writer. So, sit back and enjoy as we get under the skin of Tai Chi and Systema.

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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby yeniseri on Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:11 pm

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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby nicklinjm on Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:46 pm

The mention of the MA magazines (Combat, Tai Chi & Alternative Health, MA Illustrated) really takes me back, remember reading a bunch of those in WHSmith back in the 90s!

Not a big fan of Systema but Rob seems like a v perceptive and well-balanced guy who has seen through a lot of the BS and cultishness that surrounds TCMA and is just having fun pursuing something deep which he loves.

More power to him and to you too Graham!

P.S. Who is "He Who Shall Not Be Named" in the taichi part of the discussion?
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby GrahamB on Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:05 am

Thanks!

I was thinking about who HWSNBN is - I bet we actually meant different people ;D I'm going to go and check with Rob...
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby wayne hansen on Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:31 am

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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby GrahamB on Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:38 am

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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby Taste of Death on Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:10 am

How long do we have to wait for the Systema rules Erle Montague vs Mike Sigman pit fight?
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby oragami_itto on Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:51 am

Taste of Death wrote:How long do we have to wait for the Systema rules Erle Montague vs Mike Sigman pit fight?


Well considering Earl is dead, approximately 1000 years for the wheel of time to see him reborn.

His son is available but I doubt he'd give Mike much of a fight.
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby Taste of Death on Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:41 pm

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Taste of Death wrote:How long do we have to wait for the Systema rules Erle Montague vs Mike Sigman pit fight?


Well considering Earl is dead, approximately 1000 years for the wheel of time to see him reborn.

His son is available but I doubt he'd give Mike much of a fight.


Have you ever seen Mike Sigman? If that's alive, I would rather be dead.
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby oragami_itto on Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:21 pm

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Taste of Death wrote:How long do we have to wait for the Systema rules Erle Montague vs Mike Sigman pit fight?


Well considering Earl is dead, approximately 1000 years for the wheel of time to see him reborn.

His son is available but I doubt he'd give Mike much of a fight.


Have you ever seen Mike Sigman? If that's alive, I would rather be dead.


While his political opinions do suggest brain death, I'd still pick him over the younger Montague in a fight.
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:34 pm

You are not going to suggest that Erle is controlled by any earthly or heavenly rules
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby Tom on Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:36 pm

I finally found the time to listen to this podcast episode and thoroughly enjoyed the conversation between two true gentlemen. Graham, I really think you're hitting your stride with the various podcasts . . . I've learned a lot and like the variety of guests and topics you're bringing together.

Rob Poyton does superlative work with the way in which he teaches the Systema of Ryabko and Vasiliev. In terms of organization and pedagogy, Rob's extensive instructional materials and approach make him one of the two or three best expositors of that notoriously difficult-to-encapsulate art. One point in this discussion that Rob brought out is the connection with some of the deeper work healing trauma. Like so many people who lived through combat, Ryabko survived harrowing experiences, and one could say that in a very real sense Ryabko''s development and continuing evolution of Systema is his own effort to heal and move beyond PTSD from his wartime experience. So many veterans of war never are able to integrate their combat experiences into their post-military lives, and as a result silently suffer for years or decades.
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Re: Rob Poyton on going from Tai Chi to Systema

Postby GrahamB on Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:55 am

Thanks Tom, I've just started uploading older podcasts to YouTube for people that would prefer to listen to things that way - Daniel Mroz, Paul Bowman and Byron Jacobs now uploaded...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT-yeB9 ... 66ENCzmFsy
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