Qing Gong

[Doc Stier]

Don’t care. Let it be
OK

Does that mean you're gonna dodge answering your own question as requested? I certainly hope not. Still awaiting your answer.

[wayne hansen]

I asked the question it is only polite to wait for others to reply

[Quigga]

In the end, reverse breathing allows microcosmic orbit to flow all of the time
Resulting in much better equanamity as the circulation of energy is improved
Every inhale brings fresh energy, every exhale expels it from the system
Takes some time getting used to, but worth it
Forcing something - always bad idea

[wiesiek]

..."Let it be"
happens after school years, and... before
We are discussing median part,
I`m really interested in your experience on the Way, If you are open to share, then
Wayne:
What`s your style ?

and

Doc. :
some >post cards< from school days, will be appreciated,
if you please.

[Quigga]

I get the idea that after some time - "school time" - body is built and changed enough to reverse once again.

1) natural unconscious state
2) forced awareness to practice
3) natural conscious state

Then what I called "reverse breathing" just becomes normal chest breathing again, because body has changed so much. Negative effects of chest breathing normally found in people not present anymore, instead many benefits.

If stuck with trying to "no tension relaxed natural abdominal breathing" ( i.e. place book on Qi Hai and only move that area up and down with breath), then no good.

Maybe another psyop to limit progress
Maybe just misinformation, people haven't practiced enough
Maybe not important at all, maybe wrong

Shit's exhausting. Gonna lay back and chill a bit

[Doc Stier]

Doc. :
some >post cards< from school days, will be appreciated,
if you please.

I don't know what you mean by that.

[wiesiek]

something what in your opinion is important/interesting in learning/practicing process.
Sorry, if
sense of my words, was hidden into the form.

[Quigga]

Don't hide it so deep people can't find it
It's like Easter
Kids want to search for gay eggs
Just don't make it too difficult

[Quigga]

But yes
Mostly see Wayne and Doc comment on other people's stuff
Maybe they're exhausted too
Having talked so much

[wiesiek]

hmm,
yes,
metaphors
quite rare sounds good, in direct translations.

[Doc Stier]

something what in your opinion is important/interesting in learning/practicing process.
Sorry, if
sense of my words, was hidden into the form.

Ok. Understood. Thanks for clarifying.

As a student, I always questioned everything from day one, primarily because so many of the martial arts teachers I initially had contact with either claimed to possess skills that they never demonstrated or they demonstrated skills which they never taught their students how to replicate. In either case, the teachers always maintained their superior status and students perpetually contributed to the teacher's rice bowl income without ever receiving what they thought they were paying for.

Later, my primary long-term teachers actually showed me what to practice and how to practice in order to replicate their demonstrated skills, but with the constant reminder that nobody can practice for you. Real kungfu, they said, can only be learned in your own body through the daily experience of your own training, along with regular validation of personal progress via comparative pressure testing with practice partners. It can't be truly acquired through reading, watching films and videos, or by engaging others in any amount of hypothetical intellectual discourse.

As such, my teachers encouraged me to never take their word for anything, but rather to simply practice what they taught, as instructed, and thereby validate the training material and training methods through my own experience. This system has continued to produce excellent personal results moving forward over time. Just do it!

[Quigga]

You're right Doc
No amount of talking can replace action
Thanks for the diagnosis

[wiesiek]

so,
I do, you know Doc, like last 50 years, or so,
anyway,
this is Forum, not the Dojo,
we are typing in "free" time,then
training gonna be later; backing to the topic:
- would you throw few points for old couch potato fart - how to effectively use/practice the R.B. ,
and for example,
hey, why not?,
-why in your style is practiced?

best
W.

[Doc Stier]

In our Shen Men Tao System, reverse breathing is cultivated in conjunction with coordinated synchronization of movement patterns and postures in order to maximize internal power generation and power issuing capability in fighting applications.

[wiesiek]

well,
thank you for reminding me the basic, dry, school booklet,
but
it is not the answer,
and
you know it, of course.
You choose is- the Wayne`s way,
let it be ,

always better, than
let it bleed

I accept, that this is internet and everybody are free to:
say/do, as much, as they like to,
even more:
do whatever they like to do.
just, as they say - hope die last