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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Bao on Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:35 pm

This documentary gives a very good background to the war. It's filmed directly in Donbas showing regular people and their lives, letting them tell their own stories:

"Donbass: 8 years of war" - Documentary by French journalist Anne Laure Bonnel (2016) [EN-FR]

"Whatever your views on the current war, I think it's important to understand that it didn't start out of nothing in February 2022, it really had started in 2014."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs

Explanation of new footage from Ukraine:
Video Appears to Show Ukrainians Killing POWs in Same Fashion as Kiev Victims

https://youtu.be/qXSxeDAPhOk

"More footage has emerged of apparent Ukrainian war crimes.

This latest (still unverified) video depicts Russian soldiers bound, executed, and then mutilated by Ukrainian forces. Their bodies were left on the road in an identical fashion to those turning up outside of Kiev.

Together with other confirmed incidents of Ukrainian war crimes, a pattern is beginning to develop demanding additional investigation. Instead, the Western media and Western governments are obstructing investigations and rushing to conclusions and condemnation. "


His earlier video "Why Ukraine's "Bucha Massacre" Story Isn't Adding Up". The interesting part is that he gives mostly only Western sources

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8moZ7S4voe4


But speaking about the development of patterns, I found this report from 2016.

War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture and inhumane treatment
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf

The patterns and methods described there are similar as those reported almost daily, directly from Mariupol, by Patric Lancaster in his Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday


Yes there is a pattern alright, from the start in 2014 and forward. And it's nothing that the Russians suddenly and recently made up to attack Ukraine.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:40 pm

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby vadaga on Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:56 am

seems like there is another offensive starting today in Luhansk.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Peacedog on Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:26 am

If the resurgence of the rouble is in fact real...then Vlad has won.

He's proven that he can destroy his neighbors at will without meaningful consequence.

I don't know if this increases the risk of nuke and run, or if it negates the need to do it.

Time will tell.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:07 pm

Peacedog wrote:If the resurgence of the rouble is in fact real...then Vlad has won.

He's proven that he can destroy his neighbors at will without meaningful consequence.

I don't know if this increases the risk of nuke and run, or if it negates the need to do it.

Time will tell.


The question, if it happened who's "nuke" would it be...

The US has already suggested the Russians will do everything and anything...

Where would the Russians run to, for something happening on "their" border :-\

Kinda the point of the war no?

Very dangerous times we live in, the global realignment that is happening has been speeded up

Notice the headlines about war crimes seems to be fading out,


Wonder what could it be :P

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Ukrainian security officials and Western journalists who went looking for Russian atrocities northwest of Bucha in the Kiev region found no signs of human rights abuses, according to phone call records obtained by RT. Instead, locals told journalists the Russian troops gave them food and treated them well. Meanwhile, a Ukrainian official complained that his own side’s militia looted everything.

In a series of satellite phone calls, a reporter identified only as “Simon” tells his colleagues he visited Borodyanka – a town about 25 kilometers northwest of Bucha – and “there’s no bodies in the streets at all,” contrary to what he was led to expect.

The town has been “shelled to pieces,” Simon says, “but there’s no evidence of any rights abuses here at all.” In fact, he and his crew interviewed multiple residents who said the Russian troops had been very friendly and gave them food and water and other supplies. “And we got quotes on camera for that,” he adds.


https://www.rt.com/russia/553492-kiev-b ... ntercepts/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fpPPbiOWw4&t=513s
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:35 pm

It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly.

But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine.

They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... -rcna23014

What could go wrong

Powell used his reputation for credibility to help convince the world Saddam Hussein was an imminent threat, but the US intel was false.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/ ... qs-weapons

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby vadaga on Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:34 am

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby gzregorz on Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:11 pm

Join a defensive alliance in light of Putin killing off and raping Russian speaking civilians who were originally probably from Russia? Logical decision to me.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby gzregorz on Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:25 pm

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby vadaga on Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:17 am

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Bao on Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:22 am



Hmm.... "Pressure builds on Donbas as new Russian assault looms"

Who assaults who?


News from Mariupol, situation now. Uploaded today.

Don't forget to turn the texting on:

* Ukraine army tells civilians to go take shelter in a school. Bombs it in the night.
* "When the Russian came the gave us bread. And canned meat! It was so good."
* "I hope Zelensky dies. And his children to!!!"
* "The Russians gave us food and diapers for our child. and medicine."
* "Can you tell me about the nazis in Ukraine"
* "They have zwastika tattoos" [makes a gesture towards his chest"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eim2BIliwmA


And more:

"The shell came from Mariinka"
"Is Mariinka Ukrainian"
"Yes, it's them who is shooting. Idiots"
https://youtu.be/X9iWDfgIlWU?t=56


"It came from Krasnagorovka. Over there"
"And who is there?"
"Ukrainian army, what else? They probably don't need us."
https://youtu.be/mFAU5STk7lI?t=70


Rocket Attack Hits Center Donetsk Injuring a 12 Year Old
"Can you tell where was it from"
"From Ukraine"
"Maybe there is a military facility here?"
"Nothing at all. Only civilians"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVMsOjBpplI


While In Donetsk Investigating a shelling atack I found a Family that has been living in a bombshelter for the whole life of one of their chilren. This is the reality of the Russia - Ukraine War. Children Living In Bombshelters Whole Lives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2b1i2zWskA


2015: Kuibyshevsky district Donetsk Man killed today by Ukraine shelling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GddUH4piUZU



Hundreds of witnesses in the channel from the latest 8 years say the same thing: Ukraine forces keep bombing and killing civilians. The same continues today.


OSCE SUPPLEMENTARY HUMAN DIMENSION MEETING. APRIL 2016
War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture and inhumane treatment
Second report
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf


Looting, torture, and big business A look at volunteer groups fighting the separatists in Ukraine
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/07/01/looting-torture-and-big-business


Zelensky has not only allowed the genocide continue, but let it escalate in 2020. He has also refused to meet up with Putin for discussions. Which is also well documented.


Now, Zelensky has said to defend Mariupol until the last Ukrainian is gone. This is the crazy guy western media tries to portray as a hero. -barf-
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:09 am

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby gzregorz on Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:53 am

The time is coming “to again help our partner Trump to become president,” state TV host Evgeny Popov recently declared. On Thursday’s edition of the state television show The Evening With Vladimir Soloviev, Putin’s pet pundits offered an update on plans for 2024.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-s ... es&via=rss

“We’re trying to feel our way, figuring out the first steps. What can we do in 2023, 2024?,” Russian “Americanist” Malek Dudakov, a political scientist specializing in the U.S., said. He suggested that Russia’s interference in the upcoming elections is still in its early stages, and that more will be accomplished after the war is over and frosty relations between the U.S. and Russia start to warm up. “When things thaw out and the presidential race for 2024 is firmly on the agenda, there’ll be moments we can use,” he added. “The most banal approach I can think of is to invite Trump—before he announces he’s running for President—to some future summit in liberated Mariupol.”
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby gzregorz on Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:08 am

If you ever wondered why Trump fan boys are Putin fan boys that article says it all.

Includes Tulsi Gabbard as VP.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:37 am

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Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability.

But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.


https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html



Looks like the plan is being implemented
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