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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby vadaga on Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:05 am

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Bao on Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:42 am

A truly excellent analysis of the cause of the war and the situation right now from a real expert.

US, EU sacrificing Ukraine to 'weaken Russia': fmr. NATO adviser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4zReg7Bhu8

As the Russia-Ukraine war enters a new phase, former Swiss intelligence officer, senior United Nations official, and NATO advisor Jacques Baud analyzes the conflict and argues that the US and its allies are exploiting Ukraine in a longstanding campaign to bleed its Russian neighbor.

Guest: Jacques Baud. Former intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service who has served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the United Nations, and with the Swiss military.


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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:36 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQSTHvD2z1c

Scott Ritter was the UN weapons inspector who, during the Iraq War told the truth that we found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He became outspoken about this, which undercut the main reason the US used to invade and occupy Iraq.

As with the Iraq War, Scott Ritter is outspoken about the present war in Ukraine, in which we are again hearing US lies about the reasons for, and the events happening in the Ukraine War.

His vast experience and knowledge working in the military and with various international agencies helps expose the truth about what is happening in Ukraine.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby gzregorz on Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:53 pm

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Bao on Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:39 am

Interesting the Greene dismisses people who says that Russia is winning but don't get into the details why some people believe so. Instead he dismisses them by the idea that they would have fallen for a Putin worship.

But let's see what the U.S. Department of Defense says. Here, the transcript from their lates briefing.

Senior Defense Official Holds A Background Briefing, April 14, 2022
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript ... l-14-2022/

"As -- as I've said many times, we -- we don't have perfect visibility into the Russian plan. They are -- all I can do, as I've said before, is tell you what we're seeing today, and what we're seeing today is what we would call shaping operations. "


So this is according to the US military. They say that what Russia has been doing is shaping operations, which means: "Operations to shape consists of various long-term military engagements, security cooperation, and deterrence tasks, missions, and actions." In other words - it's the Russians that set the rules for the war. Why did the Russians keep a long convoy of tanks outside of Kiev without initializing a major attack on the city. Because the Ukraine military was kept inside of the city while the Russians went on fighting in other places. So the US military admits that it's Russia that sets the terms for the war, not Ukraine. And we also know that Russia has destroyed all of Ukraines weapons and artillery manufacturing.

They are -- they are -- they are setting the conditions for what we believe will be a -- a -- a heavier offensive in the Donbas region. So what -- so what does that mean? It means putting in place artillery units, moving them in, moving in command-and-control enablers, moving in aviation support. I've talked about the fact that we -- we -- we saw some more helicopters being staged to the north of the Donbas in Russia just in the last 24 hours. The -- they're doing the things that -- that -- that we believe they believe they need to do to set the proper conditions for a -- a renewed ground offensive. But we have not seen a great influx of additional battalion tactical groups into the region yet.



So I guess Greene calls the U.S. Department of Defense, and people who use them and other similar sources, "diluted Putin admirers"...

Anyway, what is going on exactly in Mariupol?

Well, look for yourself. You can see yourself how the Russian army rescuing children, giving food and medical aid to the civillians and taking them to safe place. You can also hear them and other witnesses telling stories about soldiers sacrificing their own lives to save children, while the Ukraine army keep the civillians as human shields.

The proofs couldn't be clearer. And there's a lot more of the same material on the same channel.

Russian Soldiers Evacuate Children from Dangerous Areas of Mariupol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdfTEgC4kIw
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:46 am

@ Bao,

you forgot war crimes

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opps wrong one.... :-\


The Amiriyah shelter bombing[N 1] was an aerial bombing attack that killed at least 408 civilians on 13 February 1991 during the Persian Gulf War, when an air-raid shelter ("Public Shelter No. 25") in the Amiriyah neighborhood of Baghdad, Iraq, was destroyed by the U.S. Air Force with two GBU-27 Paveway III laser-guided "smart bombs".[1][2]






The United States was responsible for the decision to target the Amiriyah shelter.

The U.S. Department of Defense stated that they "knew the Ameriyya facility had been used as a civil-defense shelter during the Iran–Iraq War",[3] while the U.S. military stated they believed the shelter was no longer a civil defense shelter, and that they believed it had been converted to a command center or a military personnel bunker.

Human Rights Watch stated that, "The United States' failure to give such a warning before proceeding with the disastrous attack on the Ameriyya shelter was a serious violation of the laws of war"



Biden, wants Putin to be charged with war crimes :-\

Wonder if he understands if he somehow opens the box,,,some others might be first in line.

President George H. W. Bush, former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, and General Norman Schwarzkopf for committing what they claim were war crimes in the 1991 bombing.




Subsequent debate
Jeremy Bowen, a BBC correspondent, was one of the first reporters on the scene. Bowen was given access to the site and found no evidence of military use.[13]

The White House, in a report titled Apparatus of Lies: Crafting Tragedy, states that U.S. intelligence sources reported the shelter was being used for military command purposes.

The report goes on to accuse the Iraqi government of deliberately keeping "select civilians" in a military facility at Amiriyah.[14]


A target to be bombed anyway

According Jane's Information Group, the signals intelligence observed at the shelter was from an aerial antenna that was connected to a communications center some 270 metres (300 yd) away.[4]


oops my bad

The US seems to have a lot of these "oops". moments

But then its the US
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:02 am

The story told in the US...

A concerted effort to shape events,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngbYjs9WEXM&t=1343s
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Peacedog on Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:43 am

It has been an interesting week of developments in the UKR.

Rumor has it Russia lost two nukes when their flagship sank adding fuel to the nuke and run fire.

Lots of lessons involving next generation warfare.

Turns out the main cause of the massive Russian armored vehicle losses is the donation of the world's first 3rd generation anti-tank weapon the NLAW. Some sources indicate that as many as 10,000 of these $40,000 USD devices have been handed over to the UKR. Looks like the US Marine Corps decision to get rid of its M1 Abrahms was prescient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aveU_D8xvI&t=645s

Anti-shipping missiles now appear to have rendered the traditional role of offshore artillery support to be a bit risky if fighting technologically developed forces as well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -sank.html

Is the war in UKR undergoing an escalation, how long can Putin keep this up, and what is the long-term outcome going to look like? No one really knows.

What is apparent is that high capital items (aircraft, ships and tanks) are now far more susceptible than previously thought. And infantry just got a whole lot more lethal and relevant than ever. It appears military developments are now favoring the defensive after a century of favoring the offensive. Going to get interesting.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:12 pm

Kinda depends on style, tactical doctrine of warfare coupled with objectives.

US Doctrine is completely different in that it focus is on using standoff weaponry
Air craft, Cruise missiles.

Before ground forces are brought into play.

Russian forces are not really doing what they’re capable of.
Seems there’s a lot of dissent with Putin’s generals feeling they are having to be held back by Putin.

On the other hand

Despite all of the support Kiev is getting from the West, Zelensky has asked for more. He has stated that Ukraine desperately needed more tanks and aircraft, but that its partners have been hesitant on this matter due to an unwillingness to risk a direct confrontation with Russia.
For the same reason they have refused to close the sky over the country


At any rate, Russia will not lose, in the sense that it will accomplish it’s stated objectives.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvmaBgWJhw
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:19 pm

What is apparent is that high capital items (aircraft, ships and tanks) are now far more susceptible than previously thought.


As used.

Not normal doctrinal use.

The Ukrainians , Understanding this are using civilian population centers as part of their military strategy.

They would run out of cities before Russia ran out of bombs,
Had it been the intention of the Russians from the beginning.

demonstrated use, capability of hypersonic weapontry by China and Russia a game changer
for the US ability to project power through the use of its carrier battle groups

The US military has not engaged with any near peer rival militaries for the last 77 years or so. ww II ended 1945 :P
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby Bao on Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:21 pm

Peacedog wrote:Turns out the main cause of the massive Russian armored vehicle losses is the donation of the world's first 3rd generation anti-tank weapon the NLAW. Some sources indicate that as many as 10,000 of these $40,000 USD devices have been handed over to the UKR.


"Massive Russian armored vehicle losses". ?
Yeah, but the figures vary from approx 275 from European sources up to Ukraine's figures saying that Russia has also lost 753 tanks, 1,968 armored combat vehicles, 366 pieces of artillery.
Ukraine should have lost less than 100. So sure, Russia has lost far more vehicles whatever figures you are using.

Ukraine received NLAW already in the end of January, together with a bunch of brits to train the Ukraines.

The NLAW Missiles The U.K. Rushed To Ukraine May Only Be Useful In Desperate Circumstances
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienr ... a2bdb64170

On Jan. 19, British defense secretary Ben Wallace told the Daily Mail the U.K. had already delivered 2,000 NLAWs to Ukraine, a number he indicated might continue to rise. The missiles were London’s way of providing defensive aid to Kyiv as Russian forces deploying around Ukraine’s borders give the impression a new invasion may be imminent.

The British Army also dispatched 30 paratroopers to train Ukrainian forces in operating the NLAWs, which were undoubtedly chosen in part for their ease of use, and thus ability to be rapidly adopted by Ukrainian forces facing the current crisis.


But it has a few limitations. It works in close ranges, so they are not enough to even come close to Russia's long distance weapons, They are fast in use, but from what I've read it should take a some time to train an army to use them. So I guess the US and UK have trained the Ukraines for a while.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:28 pm

Bao wrote:
But it has a few limitations. It works in close ranges, so they are not enough to even come close to Russia's long distance weapons, They are fast in use, but from what I've read it should take a some time to train an army to use them. So I guess the US and UK have trained the Ukraines for a while.


:-\

British commandos return to Ukraine – The Times
British special forces are in Kiev teaching troops how to use UK-supplied anti-tank weapons, according to The Times
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby aamc on Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:56 pm



Perun's again puts together a super - interesting presentation around the economics of the Ukraine conflict.
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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:26 pm

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Re: Russia Ukraine Situation

Postby windwalker on Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:43 pm

aamc wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEpk_yGjn0E

Perun's again puts together a super - interesting presentation around the economics of the Ukraine conflict.


Interesting clip...

Maybe a little history might help understand the economics


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-KSSHVJ8b0

outlines why this will / is changing


"rules based order". ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiz934HVZjY
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